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It's a matter of proximate consequences. The pleasure of less-expensive stuff is immediate, apparent, and personal, the harm to the manufacturing base is super-tiny (with any individual purchase) and hits elsewhere, at some vague time in the future.
Firms are likewise killing their own market by offshoring, but same sort of thing applies. Immediate tangible benefit vs. diffuse future harm? No contest.
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Gotcha.
Then we have the millions of garages and houses packed floor to ceiling with crap nobody ever uses....
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03-18-2016, 06:55 PM
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One sustainability flaw in the consumer economy prosperity model.
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03-19-2016, 07:47 AM
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The Chinese workforce and consumers are becoming freer bit by bit - the workers are demanding higher pay, consumers demanding higher quality. The Chinese/Western disparities in trade balance and economic clout will even out as the Chinese market is forced to adapt to stay in business.
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Originally Posted by catswiththum
The Chinese workforce and consumers are becoming freer bit by bit - the workers are demanding higher pay, consumers demanding higher quality. The Chinese/Western disparities in trade balance and economic clout will even out as the Chinese market is forced to adapt to stay in business.
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However if the Chinese leaders view US as the enemy, we have certainly helped them get stronger militarily.
At least in the areas around coastline of China, China seems to want to right what it believes are some historical wrongs and is working steadfastly to thwart possible US counter efforts.
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03-19-2016, 08:24 AM
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However if the Chinese leaders view US as the enemy, we have certainly helped them get stronger militarily.
At least in the areas around coastline of China, China seems to want to right what it believes are some historical wrongs and is working steadfastly to thwart possible US counter efforts.
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The Chinese gov. has itself between a rock and a hard place where we are concerned. We are a huge market for their goods and they hold a large percentage of our debt, so they need to maintain a civil relationship. They also want to exert influence in their immediate surroundings and our support of a free Taiwan has always been a thorn in their side.
What to do, what to do?
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03-19-2016, 11:28 AM
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In this case, the "opponent" is the american consumer. We can blame the business man all we want for the loss of manufacturing jobs. But it's the consumer who makes the choice to buy Chinese goods.
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I have to disagree on this. The consumer will always tend to go for whatever they believe is the best deal.......
That doesn't mean anyone has to make it available to them.
At what point does "free market Capitalism" become too much of a good thing?
I think we may have crossed that line a while ago.
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03-19-2016, 11:32 AM
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It's a matter of proximate consequences. The pleasure of less-expensive stuff is immediate, apparent, and personal, the harm to the manufacturing base is super-tiny (with any individual purchase) and hits elsewhere, at some vague time in the future.
Firms are likewise killing their own market by offshoring, but same sort of thing applies. Immediate tangible benefit vs. diffuse future harm? No contest.
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Exactly. Reap your rewards, then kick that can down the road. When it comes right down to it; How many people really care what happens after they're dead? Everyone will tell you they do, but..........................
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03-19-2016, 11:41 AM
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Sorry gentlemen, but the american consumer must have had an inkling that shunning american made goods for cheaper Chinese goods would result in both loss of american jobs and lower wages for americans. The consumers made the choice and businesses responded in droves. The end result is of course, the unavailability of US made goods.
I don't like it either. But I try to walk the walk and buy american where I can, even if it does cost an arm and a leg. I just buy less stuff.
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True. However, the last time I was faced with that decision I noticed something interesting;
Two identical products, one made in USA, the other made in China.
Guess which one was more expensive?
Not that it matters now, because if you go shopping for that particulare product today, virtually ALL pf them are made in that place and more expensive than they were before.
Is that an accident? Is it just the natural flow of a free market that no one has any control over?
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