A question - can we fall back?

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Moral of the story stay away from Wally World - I don't even know where the local one is, nor do I care.

Interesting, being a city kid I had never been in a walmart until I bought an old farm house 4 years ago. Now we have one 20 minutes away. (everything is 20 minutes away!) Seems like they have some great values.

[Grumpy]

Took 4 years to wean Nancy off that hell whole of a store but im proud to say FUCK wally world. I don't and wont willingly support them or their "fuck the employee" and "American manufacturers" ways.

[Grumpy]

Sure they have great values since they are responsible for a large part of the loss of American manufacturing jobs sent over seas. They make their money off the backs country's willing to work for pennies and sell it to fat Americans for large profits. All the while screwing their employee with no benefits and sticking our government with some of their employee heath care. They are a scum bag company that will rot in hell some day.

[merrylander]

I'll disagree a bit about the Right having too much power since WW II. They would have considered the GI Bill as socialism, yet it was that very bill that gave America the technological edge. We are squanering it now by filling our universities with foreign students and pricing a degree out of reach of most American families.

Hey, much as some may like or not like the government at least they don't go around shooting citizens like Dinnerjacket does (thanks for the nickname combwork)

[MikeCh]

Please review Post #1 and comment. Thanks.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by MikeCh

With all the HUGE spending looming in the near future with Nationalized Medicine, repaying the Stimulator, repaying the Auto Bailouts, Bank Bailouts, etc. etc. etc. .......is it possible that "IF" these ventures are "SEEN" eventually as bad decisions, will we as a country have a way out?

As an example: If everything goes the way of Nationalized Medicine (and not toward using the two tools in place already...Medicare, Medicaid) and things get spun up for full production; processes and procedures are written up by the volumes; hoards are hired to "manage"; funds are spent in the near-trillions ALL within the current presidency tenure (could be four or eight years depending).....IF, IF it all stacks up to be a MASSIVE mistake and we as a country recognize it, CAN we ever go back to the private venue?

I guess what I'm getting at, is that this president seems to be railing BIG BIG items into place with extremely damaging results if things don't "play out" as suggested.

Will we ever be able to go back to Private Medicine if the Government run Medicine doesn't pan out? Is this (what we are about to dive into) the point of no return?

Mike

Well to your first point what was voted on yesterday is not nationalized medicine by a long shot. Those trillions spent were not all spent by Obama or have you forgotten Hank Paulson and George W? So far we seem to be getting much of it back with interest.

You seem to have forgotten what else was voted in yesterday, getting the private banks out of the public trough. This means increasing Pell grants so maybe more of OUR people will get through university and not some damn foreign student who will then go back home and use his training to screw us.

Again Mike it is not government run insurance, sadly this bill does not kill off Aetna, U.S. Healthcare or Kaiser Permanente, would that it did.

I only hope Churchill was right.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by MikeCh

With all the HUGE spending looming in the near future with Nationalized Medicine, repaying the Stimulator, repaying the Auto Bailouts, Bank Bailouts, etc. etc. etc. .......is it possible that "IF" these ventures are "SEEN" eventually as bad decisions, will we as a country have a way out?

As an example: If everything goes the way of Nationalized Medicine (and not toward using the two tools in place already...Medicare, Medicaid) and things get spun up for full production; processes and procedures are written up by the volumes; hoards are hired to "manage"; funds are spent in the near-trillions ALL within the current presidency tenure (could be four or eight years depending).....IF, IF it all stacks up to be a MASSIVE mistake and we as a country recognize it, CAN we ever go back to the private venue?

I guess what I'm getting at, is that this president seems to be railing BIG BIG items into place with extremely damaging results if things don't "play out" as suggested.

Will we ever be able to go back to Private Medicine if the Government run Medicine doesn't pan out? Is this (what we are about to dive into) the point of no return?

Mike

Why are you such a pessimist? What, you don't have any faith at all in this country or its people? Of course there is a storm ahead. Of course there will be problems to work out. Of course there will be massive debt to deal with.

No one has ever acheived great things without taking risks or paying a heavy price. That's just how it is.

Or, we should just "play it safe", and let the current system grow evermore expensive until it fails, then leave millions more without access? Sorry, but to my ears, this sounds like the logic of "quitters".

FDR once said; "Conservatives are men of narrow mind, who live in constant fear of the future."

Seems like the GOP is determined to prove him right, IMHO.

Dave

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

FDR once said; "Conservatives are men of narrow mind, who live in constant fear of the future."

Wow, he hit the nail on the head. (if you consider todays GOP conservative)

[merrylander]

Just one thing to say about governmment involvment in health care. Do a Google search for the numbers on the health status of the industrialized countries and see where we stand.

BTW it appears the we the taxpayers stand to make an $8 billion profit on the shares we got in the Citibank bailout.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by merrylander

BTW it appears the we the taxpayers stand to make an $8 billion profit on the shares we got in the Citibank bailout.

As anticipated I might add.