Check Out the Scumbag Dem's In WI

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Hell no, it was a ballsy move. I was cheering when I heard it. Let those GOP goofs who want to trample on employee rights listen to the crowds for another day or two. Hey, it worked in Egypt.

Regards,

D-Ray

OK...LOL! I guess WI. could put the Muslim Brotherhood in the mansion. I'm not sure they're union types though.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

OK...LOL! I guess WI. could put the Muslim Brotherhood in the mansion. I'm not sure they're union types though.

The Republican Party, the Muslim Brotherhood - they're both a bunch of varmits. If that was the choice, it would be the lesser of two weevils.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Stereoholic]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Hell no, it was a ballsy move. I was cheering when I heard it. Let those GOP goofs who want to trample on employee rights listen to the crowds for another day or two. Hey, it worked in Egypt.

Regards,

D-Ray

I thought so, too.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

What a bunch of Pussys! Dem's are such cowards...as we all know.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/upda...linois-resort/

Yeah, it's the cowards that stand up and fight to protect their interests. Real Americans just shut up, take their lumps and do as they're told.

Tell me something;
What do you think people work for, if not to make a living and build up a retirement? What, it's just supposed to be our patriotic duty to bust ass every day and expect nothing in return? We're supposed to bow and scrape for chump change-------why? Personal pride? It's the "moral" thing to do?

I have no qualms with telling you how I feel.......FUCK THAT!

Dave

[Stereoholic]

Let's not forget the two Republicans who jumped ship.

[whell]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Yeah, it's the cowards that stand up and fight to protect their interests. Real Americans just shut up, take their lumps and do as they're told.

Tell me something;
What do you think people work for, if not to make a living and build up a retirement? What, it's just supposed to be our patriotic duty to bust ass every day and expect nothing in return? We're supposed to bow and scrape for chump change-------why? Personal pride? It's the "moral" thing to do?

I have no qualms with telling you how I feel.......FUCK THAT!

Dave

Well, since we're letting the expletives fly, here's my $0.02:

I have no qualms with anyone making as much as they possibly can - pay, benefits, retirement, whatever - within the limits of what the market will bear. Wisconsin has been dealing with public sector unionization long enough to recognize the problem: the unions and the politicians have gotten in bed with each other, and the taxpayers are paying the ever increasing bill. The equation - capitulating to wage, benefit and pension demands = campaign contributions - has left most states and the Fed Gov't in a situation where wages and benefits for public sector employees have risen significantly above private sector wages and benefits for jobs with similar skills and qualifications.

Wisconsin and my home state of MI have gaping holes in the budget: the government in this state has continued to become more expensive every year while the state's population has been declining year after year. (We're losing 2 seats in the House of Representatives as a result.) Rather than right-size government to reflect the declining population, we decided to raise taxes on business in the middle of a recession to keep government afloat, including continuing to fund high wages, rich benefits and pensions for state employees.

Unemployment in Wisconsin is just shy of 8% (in MI, its off the map!). Many of those working have continued working through pay freezes, reductions to health benefits, or faced lay-offs and taken jobs to try and keep making ends meet during a recession. God forbid the civil servants take a wage cut or freeze, pay more for health care. Just let the strapped citizens of WI pay the extra freight every year, whether they're working, underemployed or unemployed.

The Federal House and Senate Republicans opposed the stimulus, and opposed health care reform. But at least they SHOWED UP, PARTICIPATED IN THE PROCESS, AND LET THEIR "NO" VOTE BE RECORDED. They didn't leave DC, get on a bus and hold themselves up in a RESORT while ducking their responsibilities to the citizens.


I have no qualms with telling you how I feel about the public sector unions and their lap dog politicians.......FUCK THAT!

EDIT: this is illustrative of the unsustainable situation in MI with wages and benefits for teachers. http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/12874. Combine this with the fact that in many school districts, teachers don't pay any portion of their health care premium, and have no co pay or deductibles.

[finnbow]

Hold on to your hat, Whell. For the most part, I agree with your take on the Wisconsin issue. I wrote a post a month or so back that read much the same way (you friggin' plagiarist ).

There are a couple of things that give me pause WRT to the Wisconsin situation. From what I understand, one of the first actions the new Gov took was to cut taxes from high income individuals and businesses. Now it seems like he intends to balance the books on the backs of public sector employees who have wages/benefits based upon existing collecting bargaining agreements with the state. It seems reasonable that the teachers feel that he has reneged on an existing agreement in order to afford tax cuts for his cronies. Right or wrong, that's a reasonable perception.

Then he doesn't demand similar concessions from police and firemen. This seems somewhat akin to the GOP at the national level not wanting to touch defense spending. It reeks of jingoisim IMHO. If things are bad enough to warrant unilateral trashing of a CBA, then the police/firemen should also be subject to the ax.

Lastly, the manner in which he undertook his actions. It seems to me if you intend to back out of a collective bargaining agreement (even a bad one), you don't do it unilaterally. It must be negotiated in good faith.

Accordingly, I'm of two minds on this one. The Governor's Rambo style seems as much the problem as the intrasigence of the unions.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Accordingly, I'm of two minds on this one. The Governor's Rambo style seems as much the problem as the intrasigence of the unions.

No, this is substance over style. The same crap is starting here in MI, and Gov Snyder is taking much more the nice - guy approach. I've sure that if Walker had sent the union flowers and candy they would have crapped all over it.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by whell

Well, since we're letting the expletives fly, here's my $0.02:

I have no qualms with anyone making as much as they possibly can - pay, benefits, retirement, whatever - within the limits of what the market will bear. Wisconsin has been dealing with public sector unionization long enough to recognize the problem: the unions and the politicians have gotten in bed with each other, and the taxpayers are paying the ever increasing bill. The equation - capitulating to wage, benefit and pension demands = campaign contributions - has left most states and the Fed Gov't in a situation where wages and benefits for public sector employees have risen significantly above private sector wages and benefits for jobs with similar skills and qualifications.

.

I agree with you and the governor of WI on this one.

federal and state employees are not the same as auto workers and truckers for example

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

Well, since we're letting the expletives fly, here's my $0.02:

I have no qualms with anyone making as much as they possibly can - pay, benefits, retirement, whatever - within the limits of what the market will bear. Wisconsin has been dealing with public sector unionization long enough to recognize the problem: the unions and the politicians have gotten in bed with each other, and the taxpayers are paying the ever increasing bill. The equation - capitulating to wage, benefit and pension demands = campaign contributions - has left most states and the Fed Gov't in a situation where wages and benefits for public sector employees have risen significantly above private sector wages and benefits for jobs with similar skills and qualifications.

Wisconsin and my home state of MI have gaping holes in the budget: the government in this state has continued to become more expensive every year while the state's population has been declining year after year. (We're losing 2 seats in the House of Representatives as a result.) Rather than right-size government to reflect the declining population, we decided to raise taxes on business in the middle of a recession to keep government afloat, including continuing to fund high wages, rich benefits and pensions for state employees.

Unemployment in Wisconsin is just shy of 8% (in MI, its off the map!). Many of those working have continued working through pay freezes, reductions to health benefits, or faced lay-offs and taken jobs to try and keep making ends meet during a recession. God forbid the civil servants take a wage cut or freeze, pay more for health care. Just let the strapped citizens of WI pay the extra freight every year, whether they're working, underemployed or unemployed.

The Federal House and Senate Republicans opposed the stimulus, and opposed health care reform. But at least they SHOWED UP, PARTICIPATED IN THE PROCESS, AND LET THEIR "NO" VOTE BE RECORDED. They didn't leave DC, get on a bus and hold themselves up in a RESORT while ducking their responsibilities to the citizens.


I have no qualms with telling you how I feel about the public sector unions and their lap dog politicians.......FUCK THAT!

EDIT: this is illustrative of the unsustainable situation in MI with wages and benefits for teachers. http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/12874. Combine this with the fact that in many school districts, teachers don't pay any portion of their health care premium, and have no co pay or deductibles.

High wages, rich benefits and pensions? Where do I apply? Sounds like it's great being a part of your problem!

The market won't bear anything, when the mode of operation is always to seek the lowest price structure and highest possible profit margins regardless of the impact on the humans involved. Look where all of the jobs are going....THAT'S a function of your "market" my friend. It leads----down. and not just for unionized public sector employees----for all of us.It just hits them now, because they are tax supported. Michigan lost it's tax base because the main industry went elsewhere chasing cheaper labor and greater margins. Pressuring the state to make cuts. You say they are overcompensated? Okay, fine. I can see that. But, where does it end? Started with autoworkers (In your state.), now public employees, and once the machine gets rolling who will be next? You? Me? Who will be the next "parasite" that the "business interests" and it's tools on the right focus their derision on?

It's really not all that hard to see. If you're paying attention, and staying focused on the trend.

More dark days to come. Bet on it.

Dave