Republicans don't even care if you know their lying

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

There's no question that Trump sandbagged Durbin and Graham. There's also no question that Trump is a racist and that he wants to use race as a deciding factor for "merit-based" immigration. Heck, even his designated liar, Sarah Hillbilly Sanders, is no longer denying his "shithole" comment:

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders did not deny Tuesday morning that President Donald Trump had called certain Caribbean and African nations “shithole countries,” telling reporters outside the West Wing that the president had never denied using “strong language.”

"Look, the president hasn't said he didn't use strong language. And this is an important issue. He's passionate about it," Sanders said when asked why Trump reportedly defended the comment to allies while denying it publicly. "He's not going to apologize for trying to fix our immigration system. He's committed to doing that and hopefully Democrats will be too."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...esponse-340683

SO WHAT??? He used "strong language"? Big f-ing deal. According to those that were there, the room was filled with "strong language" used by multiple individuals. If you don't think "strong language" is used, or had never been used before, inside the White House or in the halls of Congress, you're deluded.

It is "alleged" that he used it specifically about certain countries. So far, only on person at the meeting said he heard it, and that was the guy who claims he was "sandbagged". That person also has a history of playing fast and loose with the facts and with using race as a political weapon.

Like I said, you believe what you want to believe. You've got plenty of folks here who want to believe it just like you.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

SO WHAT??? He used "strong language"? Big f-ing deal.

His strong language is just an outward sign of what his intent is and why people are upset about it. Beyond his language insulting dozens of friendly countries in important parts of the world (and from which many fellow Americans immigrated), the bigger issue is a president with a rich history of racist rhetoric and behavior pressuring Congress to use race as the determining factor in a "merit-based" immigration program. It's racist, immoral, unconstitutional and anathema to the American ideal.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It's racist, immoral, unconstitutional and anathema to the American ideal.

What "American ideal" would that be? The idea of a workforce where labor rates are artificially tamped down by artificially increasing supply? The ideal that there's no rule of law - including immigration law - and laws are meant to be twisted or ignored for political expediency? The idea that we should break the social safety net for citizens, and drive up costs, at the expense of illegal immigrants?

There are social and economic costs to this, as this Californian - who calls himself a liberal - points out:

•Competition for affordable housing: 1.5 million Californians pay more than half their income for housing, a result of overcrowding.

•More than 20 million tons of greenhouse gases are added each year by undocumented residents. California’s annual per-capita carbon dioxide production is 10 metric tons/per person.

•Competition for low-wage jobs is increased. Middle-income employers can pay lower wages.

•Allowing illegal immigrants to live and drive contributes to wasted time in traffic and greenhouse gas production.

•English language learners in the classroom lower academic performance by diverting limited educational resources. California has almost 1.4 million English language learners, and has the highest student/teacher ratio of all the large states. California scores lower than average for the nation in reading, mathematics and science.

Sure, you can also say that there's an economic benefit to these individuals who contribute as workers. But it doesn't wash. Data shows that revenues don't offset costs - not by a long shot - when factoring in uncompensated medical care, cost of education, and cost of incarceration. What American ideal or moral imperative is supported by the idea that citizens must run up debt to accommodate individuals who are in the country illegally?

I know you desperately want to talk about perceived, or alleged "racism" rather than this, but at the end of the day your allegation, and that of your advocates in the political class, that immigration reform is "racist" is far more harmful.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

What "American ideal" would that be? The idea of a workforce where labor rates are artificially tamped down by artificially increasing supply? The ideal that there's no rule of law - including immigration law - and laws are meant to be twisted or ignored for political expediency? The idea that we should break the social safety net for citizens, and drive up costs, at the expense of illegal immigrants?

That all men are created equal (regardless of skin color). In the words of MLK that men are judged not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character. Even you Trump sycophants should know that.

BTW, the shithole meeting was not about illegal immigration. It was rules/conditions for legal immigration.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

SO WHAT??? He used "strong language"? Big f-ing deal.

So what??? Whell is running off at the keyboard again, and doesn't get the smallest little thing, as usual. Big f-ing deal.

[finnbow]

And now we have Trump's DHS Secretary, Kirstjen Nielsen (of obvious Scandinavian lineage and a graduate of Georgetown's School of Foreign Service) claiming that she doesn't know that Norway is a predominately white country (in an effort to provide cover for Trump's racist remark). She's either profoundly incompetent or lying through her teeth.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...are-white.html

Between Cotton and Perdue willingness to lie for Trump, we now have a cabinet secretary doing the same thing (or too ignorant to know that Norwegians (and people like herself) are white).