Militarists for Peace!

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I came across this description of a Head of State as a child, age 12: "He is very arrogant, extremely smug and quite taken with himself...is offended at the slightest comment, plays the injured party and more than occasionally gives an impudent answer; furthermore, he is unbelievably lazy and slovenly." link

Sounds like someone we now know, but in fact the description is of the future Kaiser Wilhelm II, from his MOTHER, Queen Victoria's daughter Vicky. Wilhelm's character would later be seen as a major cause of WW I.

Trumps personality deficiencies and militarism seem to present a grave danger of history repeating, except the death toll could be in the billions this time, as opposed to WW I's millions. It's ironic that some still repeat the fantasy that he was the 'peace candidate' compared to war-mongering Hillary.

Looks about right.

[donquixote99]

This image is popular with the base--there's a market for art prints and hand painted copies in oil!

[donquixote99]

Trumps goals are different than Adolph's, and his methods not nearly as clever and effective, fortunately. But there are of course similarities in a number of basic values, and methods to a point.

My OP was about basic similarities in personality between Trump and what was noted of Kaiser Bill as a child. The main point is that thinking such personalities are likely to be good at preventing big wars is, on the evidence, misguided.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Trumps goals are different than Adolph's, and his methods not nearly as clever and effective, fortunately. But there are of course similarities in a number of basic values, and methods to a point.

My OP was about basic similarities in personality between Trump and what was noted of Kaiser Bill as a child. The main point is that thinking such personalities are likely to be good at preventing big wars is, on the evidence, misguided.

The main point from the OP is that such personalities lead to big wars.

"Wilhem's character would later be seen as a major causeof WW1.

Trumps personality deficiencies and militarism seem to present a grave danger of history repeating, except the death toll could be in the billions this time, as opposed to WW1's millions."


Worse:
"It's ironic that some still repeat the fantasy that he was the 'peace candidate' compared to war-mongering Hillary."

The fact is: Trump was the peace candidate. Every time he reach out to the other major nuclear entity he was hammered for doing so.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

The main point from the OP is that such personalities lead to big wars.

"Wilhem's character would later be seen as a major causeof WW1.

Trumps personality deficiencies and militarism seem to present a grave danger of history repeating, except the death toll could be in the billions this time, as opposed to WW1's millions."


Worse:
"It's ironic that some still repeat the fantasy that he was the 'peace candidate' compared to war-mongering Hillary."

The fact is: Trump was the peace candidate. Every time he reach out to the other major nuclear entity he was hammered for doing so.

You seem to be suggesting that Trump lacks notable personality deficiencies?

You see him, perchance, as an admirable fellow whose good intentions have been frustrated by cruel, malicious back-stabbing domestic enemies? That is, as he see himself?

That other major nuclear entity rather poisoned the well of amity with its 2016 election interference. Trump's doubtless saintly peace efforts were spoiled by his conduct with regard to same. Maybe you could trust him, but I assure you many others never will.

[Dondilion]

We want to peg Trump as a sellout to the other major nuclear power and at the same time promote the idea that he would likely lead us in a war with billions of casualties.


This is what happens when we want our villain to be in all the bad checking areas. It leads to bad analysis.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

We want to peg Trump as a sellout to the other major nuclear power and at the same time promote the idea that he would likely lead us in a war with billions of casualties.


This is what happens when we want our villain to be in all the bad checking areas. It leads to bad analysis.

Who is this mythical "we"? You and your friends in Little Odessa?

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

We want to peg Trump as a sellout to the other major nuclear power and at the same time promote the idea that he would likely lead us in a war with billions of casualties.


This is what happens when we want our villain to be in all the bad checking areas. It leads to bad analysis.

It's why he's being conflated with Hitler, which has sure improved WaPo's and NYT's bottom lines.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

The main point from the OP is that such personalities lead to big wars.

"Wilhem's character would later be seen as a major causeof WW1.

Trumps personality deficiencies and militarism seem to present a grave danger of history repeating, except the death toll could be in the billions this time, as opposed to WW1's millions."


Worse:
"It's ironic that some still repeat the fantasy that he was the 'peace candidate' compared to war-mongering Hillary."

The fact is: Trump was the peace candidate. Every time he reach out to the other major nuclear entity he was hammered for doing so.

What war are you referencing?

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by nailer

What war are you referencing?

Peace candidate in relation to a possible nuclear conflagration. Notice the use of 'billions'.