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Old 05-24-2023, 07:07 AM
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The Reasons MAGAts Still Support Trump

It’s a challenge for many of them, especially those who identify as people of faith, to reconcile what they claim to value—integrity, honor, truthfulness, decency, compassion—with the fact that they support a misogynist who has cheated on his wives and sexually abused women; threatened judges, prosecutors, and election officials; used hundreds of millions of dollars in military assistance to pressure a foreign leader to dig up dirt on his political opponent; catalyzed a violent insurrection and engaged in a multipart conspiracy to overturn the lawful results of the 2020 presidential election; dined with white-supremacist and anti-Semites; cheated on his taxes; lied pathologically; routinely used cruel and dehumanizing rhetoric; and promoted political violence...

First, Trump supporters deny the worst things he has done. Jury verdicts against him are always unfair; impeachments are unjust partisan acts. Investigations of him that have found wrongdoing, all of them, are “WITCH HUNTS.” ...

Second, Trump supporters catastrophize the threats of the left... What we’re talking about isn’t just fear; it’s a sense of desperation and impending doom...

Third, Trump and his supporters are frantically trying to portray President Joe Biden as more corrupt than his predecessor. If Trump is an innocent man forever being framed, Biden is the head of a “crime family,” according to Trump, who labeled a set of unproven allegations against Biden as “Watergate times 10.”...


A fourth justification that supporters of Donald Trump have constructed is that his presidency was an unqualified success, that Trump did practically everything right. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary...

If a decade ago you had told Trump supporters that this is the kind of man they would defend, that this is what they would become, most of them would have been horrified. At this stage, though, for Trump supporters to call him out would be to call out themselves, and that’s too painful for too many people. The greater the ethical compromises we make, the fiercer our justifications become—and the angrier and more frustrated we get at those who won’t go along for the ride.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...n-hall/674142/

It appears that the author has been reading Whell's post for the past several years. I suppose if you get your "news" from the wingnut angertainment complex, you can't help but start believing this nonsense.
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Old 05-24-2023, 08:28 AM
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Imma just leave this here...

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Old 05-24-2023, 09:47 AM
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TOP DEMOCRATS ARE WRONG: TRUMP SUPPORTERS WERE MORE MOTIVATED BY RACISM THAN ECONOMIC ISSUES


No doubt there are issues of democracy vs autocracy...and all the glaring political issues. But IMHO the MAGA are bigots, in every way possible. Some hate black folks the most, some hate Jews the most, some hate LGBTQ more than others...but they are all haters. They hate Muslims, they hate Asians, they mostlyhate anybody who isn’t a white supremacist christian nationalist.

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Old 05-24-2023, 10:50 AM
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Trump came through the window that former President Clinton opened.
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Old 05-24-2023, 10:58 AM
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Trump came through the window that former President Clinton opened.
Don't forget the contribution of the man you admire so much, Vladimir Putin. That said, your comment doesn't address the content of the article which explains why Trump supporters still support him despite his myriad faults (while Hillary has been out of the picture for over 6 years).

I guess the article could add another item to the four listed in the article - they still like Trump because they, like Trump, admire the kind of authoritarianism put in place by Putin and would like something similar here (this would capture your rationale).
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Old 05-24-2023, 11:09 AM
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Trump came through the window that former President Clinton opened.
You and Whell have much in common. Both make absurd comments. Difference is, Whell backs his comments with copious amounts of BS. You simply make absurd statements with no rationale whatsoever.
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Old 05-24-2023, 11:35 AM
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Whell is the most accomplished poster on this here site. He for the most part sticks to the essence of the issue while employing tremendous patience.

I try for self-explanatory brevity.
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Whell is the most accomplished poster on this here site. He for the most part sticks to the essence of the issue while employing tremendous patience.

I try for self-explanatory brevity.
What you have in common is Whell's unquestioned loyalty to Trump and your unquestioned loyalty to Trump's patron, Putin. Whell supports his fealty to Trump with stuff plucked from the right-wing angertainment complex whereas you no longer provide any supporting rationale for your comments as it would emphasize your fealty to a murderous war criminal.

In short, what you have in common with Whell is a willingness, even a need, to support and defend your favorite authoritarian. Birds of a feather ...

PS - Your comment about Hillary in response to an article about why Trump supporters still support him despite his manifest character flaws and rampant criminality was hardly self-explanatory. It was indeed brief, however.
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Old 05-24-2023, 12:03 PM
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Many still support Trump, despite his many negatives, essentially because he was the first major politician to voice (notice voice) consistently the angst they experienced re the hollowing out of the American industrial center.

White folks especially those who thought they were special cannot still believe what corporate America did.

Off-shoring was/is a trauma.
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Old 05-24-2023, 12:16 PM
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Many still support Trump, despite his many negatives, essentially because he was the first major politician to voice (notice voice) consistently the angst they experienced re the hollowing out of the American industrial center.

White folks especially those who thought they were special cannot still believe what corporate America did.

Off-shoring was/is a trauma.
Whereas Trump did nothing to actually address these issues, Biden has (e.g., Trump's "Infrastructure Week" became a punchline). That said, your analysis is faulty. Trump's support did not (and does not) derive from his industrial policy because he really didn't have one beyond whatever nonsense Peter Navarro (hired via an Amazon search by Jared Kushner) was babbling. And the results of this "policy" was greater unemployment, budget and trade deficits.

Trump's appeal derived from the appeal of authoritarianism to his base and the fact that he gave his followers license to show their hatred for pretty much everyone other than Christian Nationalists and his willingness to "fight" against all of these perceived enemies (Muslims, blacks, LGBTQ, immigrants, historical allies (in favor of despots) ...), something that had fortunately gone out of favor for the past several decades.
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