Turkey Downs Russian Fighter Jet

[Dondilion]

Turkey - "the fox among the chickens"

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-...isis-103000497

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

ISIS oil goes to Turkey.

Of course it does. Russia has been taking out Turkey-bound oil convoys in Syria for weeks.

More than that, the Turkmen "militias" that are operating in Syria and who killed the Russian pilot are essentially a new incarnation of the Grey Wolves and are led by a Turkish citizen. Their job, apart from fighting the Syrian Army, is to protect the supply routes for Daesh oil headed for Turkey.

The Russian Su24 which Turkey shot down was engaged in combat operations against the Turkmen. That's why the plane crashed in and the pilots parachuted into Turkmen-controlled territory. That's why the Turks shot it down.

Turkey should be expelled from NATO.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Of course it does. Russia has been taking out Turkey-bound oil convoys in Syria for weeks.

More than that, the Turkmen "militias" that are operating in Syria and who killed the Russian pilot are essentially a new incarnation of the Grey Wolves and are led by a Turkish citizen. Their job, apart from fighting the Syrian Army, is to protect the supply routes for Daesh oil headed for Turkey.

The Russian Su24 which Turkey shot down was engaged in combat operations against the Turkmen. That's why the plane crashed in and the pilots parachuted into Turkmen-controlled territory. That's why the Turks shot it down.

Turkey should be expelled from NATO.

Erdogan is doing exactly what Putin did in eastern Ukraine, namely supporting an insurrection by ethnic kin. I don't have much sympathy for either of these clowns. Two peas in a pod.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Erdogan is doing exactly what Putin did in eastern Ukraine, namely supporting an insurrection by ethnic kin. I don't have much sympathy for either of these clowns. Two peas in a pod.

That only describes a part of what Erdogan is up to. He and other people in his government are actively aiding Daesh and other Islamist terrorists, both by buying Daesh's oil and by providing arms to them, perhaps as part of the same deal.

It's important to remember that Erdogan is himself an Islamist who is bent on undoing all the reforms instituted by Ataturk following WWI. He wants to destroy the secular Turkish state in favor of an Islamic one. In this, his aims, or at least his rhetoric, approach that of Daesh's.

Another difference between the Ukrainian and Syrian situations is that the Grey Wolves, a right wing nationalist terrorist organization, are aligned with Erdogan. On the other hand, Ukraine's right wing nationalists, the Right Sector, are opposing Putin and the ethnic Russian separatists. This is an important distinction and is suggestive of very different visions for each leader's end game.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Boreas

That only describes a part of what Erdogan is up to. He and other people in his government are actively aiding Daesh and other Islamist terrorists, both by buying Daesh's oil and by providing arms to them, perhaps as part of the same deal.

It's important to remember that Erdogan is himself an Islamist who is bent on undoing all the reforms instituted by Ataturk following WWI. He wants to destroy the secular Turkish state in favor of an Islamic one. In this, his aims, or at least his rhetoric, approach that of Daesh's.

Another difference between the Ukrainian and Syrian situations is that the Grey Wolves, a right wing nationalist terrorist organization, are aligned with Erdogan. On the other hand, Ukraine's right wing nationalists, the Right Sector, are opposing Putin and the ethnic Russian separatists. This is an important distinction and is suggestive of very different visions for each leader's end game.

Both want to again be regional hegemons by establishing a modern-day equivalent of their respective lost empires, be it Ottoman and Soviet - and both are employing duplicity, violence and autocratic authority to achieve their objectives while fucking their countries over in the process. They're more similar than they are different.

[Boreas]

We can't have these tin pot dictators thinking they can become regional hegemons when, as everyone should now realize, the re can be only one global hegemon.... us!

[donquixote99]

I can't help wondering, every time I see this thread, how a non-flying turkey could down a fighter jet. A goose can do it, of course....

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I can't help wondering, every time I see this thread, how a non-flying turkey could down a fighter jet. A goose can do it, of course....

Engine fowling from the WKRP turkey plummet.

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[Dondilion]

I read somewhere that we drop leaflets, whenever we are going to bomb ISIS oil truck columns, to warn the drivers.

The reason: we claim the drivers are civilians. Some distinction!

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

I read somewhere that we drop leaflets, whenever we are going to bomb ISIS oil truck columns, to warn the drivers.

The reason: we claim the drivers are civilians. Some distinction!

I don't know about that but I do know that we declined to target the convoys for a very long time, beginning only after Russia more or less shamed us into it. Our reasons for leaving the convoys alone was that the tanker trucks were "infrastructure" and would be needed in a post-conflict Syria.