FAKE NEWS EXPOSED: A Service of PoliticalChat.com

[finnbow]

It is impossible to keep up with the volume of disinformation churned out by the MAGA-occupied Republican Party. But sometimes it’s worth pausing to examine the anatomy of a particularly egregious fabrication, to understand the broader “alternative fact” ecosystem that misinforms tens of millions of Americans.

Let’s consider the lie, endlessly repeated by Republicans and the Fox-News-led echo chamber, that new legislation enacted by Democrats funds the hiring of “87,000 armed IRS agents.” Like the “death panel” fabrication during the Obamacare debate, this is a whole-cloth invention designed to stoke paranoia...

Grid traced the 87,000-agents lie to Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, which in May 2021 took a Treasury Department proposal to add 86,852 positions at the IRS by 2031 (again, a gross figure that didn’t account for attrition) and wrongly concluded: “Biden Plans to Hire 87,000 New IRS Agents.” Sen. Joni Ernst (Iowa) repeated the misrepresentation, and Republicans were off to the races.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...epublican-lie/

[Rajoo]

Lets get back to the fundamentals.

Isn't the GOP's plan to have every citizen to own and carry a firearm legally?
So what is wrong with IRS agents carrying one, first for their own protection and secondly if in Florida, to stand their ground?

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Lets get back to the fundamentals.

Isn't the GOP's plan to have every citizen to own and carry a firearm legally?
So what is wrong with IRS agents carrying one, first for their own protection and secondly if in Florida, to stand their ground?

That's easy. How can you overthrow the tyrannical government when they're shooting back. I troll them by saying they'll be shot by bullets their tax dollars paid for and the agents shooting at them are being paid by their taxes too.
I'm such a bad boy.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

That's easy. How can you overthrow the tyrannical government when they're shooting back. I troll them by saying they'll be shot by bullets their tax dollars paid for and the agents shooting at them are being paid by their taxes too.
I'm such a bad boy.

I was actually seeking Whell's opinion on this one, more so than you'se.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

I was actually seeking Whell's opinion on this one, more so than you'se.

Well then I'll defer to the OP.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

Well then I'll defer to the OP.

Who is MIA and waiting for the next MAGA (Conspiracy Theory).

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Lets get back to the fundamentals.

Isn't the GOP's plan to have every citizen to own and carry a firearm legally?
So what is wrong with IRS agents carrying one, first for their own protection and secondly if in Florida, to stand their ground?

Some huge logical leaps here, including one that takes you over a cliff.

Upholding the right of individuals to keep and bear arms is a very long way from a "plan to have every citizen to own and carry a firearm legally". The constitution doesn't require ownership of a firearm, nor does it require owners to carry. Defending the Constitution doesn't mean compelling ownership, nor does it empower state or Federal gov'ts to restrict those rights.

I don't have an issue with law enforcement agents to carry and use firearms in the performance of their duties. I'm not sure why the IRS requires armed enforcement agents given the enforcement tools already at their disposal, and given the other branches of law enforcement that are already available to support enforcement of Federal law.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by whell

Some huge logical leaps here, including one that takes you over a cliff.

Upholding the right of individuals to keep and bear arms

How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment
The Founders never intended to create an unregulated individual right to a gun. Today, millions believe they did. Here’s how it happened.

Some light reading for YOUR and the far-Reich wingnuts of SCOTUS' huge logical leap on this "right".

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...cond-amendment

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

I don't have an issue with law enforcement agents to carry and use firearms in the performance of their duties. I'm not sure why the IRS requires armed enforcement agents given the enforcement tools already at their disposal, and given the other branches of law enforcement that are already available to support enforcement of Federal law.

Investigating organized crime, drug dealers, money launderers and (historically) moonshiners is a dangerous business. It's certainly far more dangerous than teaching elementary school, yet Republicans want to arm teachers.

You still appear unwilling to admit that this whole brouhaha was contrived by the GOP and its allies (e.g., Grover Norquist). They thought that their base's inherent hostility to taxes and the IRS, coupled with their credulity for wingnut media lies, would find a receptive audience for these ridiculous lies.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Some huge logical leaps here, including one that takes you over a cliff.

Upholding the right of individuals to keep and bear arms is a very long way from a "plan to have every citizen to own and carry a firearm legally". The constitution doesn't require ownership of a firearm, nor does it require owners to carry. Defending the Constitution doesn't mean compelling ownership, nor does it empower state or Federal gov'ts to restrict those rights.

I don't have an issue with law enforcement agents to carry and use firearms in the performance of their duties. I'm not sure why the IRS requires armed enforcement agents given the enforcement tools already at their disposal, and given the other branches of law enforcement that are already available to support enforcement of Federal law.

No leaps, simple logic.

The Republican party promotes gun ownership, right to self defense and advocates that all citizens are armed to the hilt including assault weapons like AK-47 and AR-15, correct? Refute this.

IRS agents are often put in dangerous situations, correct? And historically some IRS agents have always been armed like the agents from ATF, correct? And they do have the right of self defense, correct? So why not arm them while on duty? Refute this.

As finn has already raised, the Republican party also advocates that all teachers be armed correct? Why? They too have multiple law enforcement resources and we all know how well it worked in a wingnut state like Texas recently. So according to the Republicans, its still preferable to arm teachers because when the shooting starts, the LEO are nowhere to be found correct? Otherwise, why would so many children continue to get killed. It seems children spend more time in classrooms learning how to hide under desks than learning. And the primary concern is to escape unharmed when the shooting starts rather than learning, correct? Refute this.

So why shouldn't IRS agents entering dangerous situations be armed? Heck for that matter, why shouldn't high school students be armed? Its their lives that the Republicans are sacrificing in their total capitulation to the NRA? Refute this.