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Pretty accurate assessment, Pete!
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Old 03-13-2012, 10:33 PM
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So this is history?

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Old 03-13-2012, 11:08 PM
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Again, I don't think he's an evil sort: He just rose well beyond his level of competence.
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[QUOTE=finnbow;93796]Before you start a narrative response, put him in the appropriate quartile.
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2nd from the bottom, I can't muster enough outrage to put him in the bottom quartile with the likes of Nixon or Reagan.
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Amazing how Bush, who the left repeatedly deem an idiot, was able to supposedly hoodwink all the opposition into agreeing with him on invading Iraq. Who knew that WMD would not be found in Iraq? The real irony would be if they turn up in Syria. How good was our on the ground intelligence after the 8 years of Clinton?
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Amazing how Bush, who the left repeatedly deem an idiot, was able to supposedly hoodwink all the opposition into agreeing with him on invading Iraq. Who knew that WMD would not be found in Iraq? The real irony would be if they turn up in Syria. How good was our on the ground intelligence after the 8 years of Clinton?
Are you implying that Shrub was the smartest idiot in the room?

Not only have you just put it all in a nutshell, but you've also given me my laugh for the day.

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Amazing how Bush, who the left repeatedly deem an idiot, was able to supposedly hoodwink all the opposition into agreeing with him on invading Iraq. Who knew that WMD would not be found in Iraq? The real irony would be if they turn up in Syria. How good was our on the ground intelligence after the 8 years of Clinton?
Our "on the ground intelligence" has been pathetic for decades, particularly in the Mideast. Our satellite imagery and, to a lesser degree, signal intelligence have been excellent for a long time. However, we have limited ground assets in many parts of the world to provide context/meaning to the data.

Earlier in my career, I managed the construction of numerous high-tech government "spy-in-the-sky" facilities across Europe and the US. The technology was truly amazing for the time (early '80's), but the analysts/language experts with the responsibility for making sense of this signal intelligence were often bright mid-20's types with a couple of years at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, CA and another year or two of specialized training. I knew quite a few of them. I can attest to the fact that their German language skills (they analyzed signal intel from East Germany) were rudimentary at best. I can only imagine their Arabic is much worse, particularly with the number of dialects.

Here's a book recommendation if you're interested in the messy history of the CIA and its chronic incompetence.
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I guess we all would've been better off if Eve hadn't nibbled on that fruit.
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Amazing how Bush, who the left repeatedly deem an idiot, was able to supposedly hoodwink all the opposition into agreeing with him on invading Iraq. Who knew that WMD would not be found in Iraq? The real irony would be if they turn up in Syria. How good was our on the ground intelligence after the 8 years of Clinton?
Bush, Cheney, Rummy.
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Our "on the ground intelligence" under Clinton was good enough to realize that we shouldn't invade Iraq.
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