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Old 02-20-2014, 08:05 AM
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German Secretary of State Steinmeier wanted to act as mediator in the conflict, together with two collegues from Poland and France. They arrived at Kiev today and left Kiev instantly again, without meeting anybody.

Yep. The truce announced yesterday broke down and now there are bullets flying.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:13 AM
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I am actually a bit confused now. I got the the informations from CNN and German CNN offshoot NTV three hours ago that the negotiations did not happen. But latest internet infos say they did.

Anyway - EU pressure will be in vain, I am convinced of that, because Janukovych is a puppet of Putin.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:27 AM
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I am actually a bit confused now. I got the the informations from CNN and German CNN offshoot NTV three hours ago that the negotiations did not happen. But latest internet infos say they did.

Anyway - EU pressure will be in vain, I am convinced of that, because Janukovych is a puppet of Putin.
Or because the EU is not prepared to pay the asking price.
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Old 02-20-2014, 01:21 PM
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The Western border of the Ukraine is just 500 miles away from Berlin. High professional snipers kill opposites just to statisfy their need for killing, according to a doctor working in a Kiev hotel which is transformed into a "hospital" since today.

Medvedev demands for more efficient actions by Yanukovych - I do not know what THAT means. Perhaps a consequence will be civil war?
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Old 02-20-2014, 03:02 PM
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The Western border of the Ukraine is just 500 miles away from Berlin. High professional snipers kill opposites just to statisfy their need for killing, according to a doctor working in a Kiev hotel which is transformed into a "hospital" since today.

Medvedev demands for more efficient actions by Yanukovych - I do not know what THAT means. Perhaps a consequence will be civil war?

Perhaps chemical weapons.....
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Old 02-20-2014, 03:30 PM
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Yep. The truce announced yesterday broke down and now there are bullets flying.
Yep. It's pretty bad. Snipers on both sides and police using automatic weapons.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z1
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Old 02-21-2014, 10:24 AM
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Ukraine President, Opposition Sign Compromise Deal

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...741947218.html

Hope this sticks, cooler heads prevail. Yanukovych has lost the country anyway to the pro west supporters. Love to see Putin lose. Syria next? Hope so.
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:39 AM
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Ukraine President, Opposition Sign Compromise Deal

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...741947218.html

Hope this sticks, cooler heads prevail. Yanukovych has lost the country anyway to the pro west supporters. Love to see Putin lose. Syria next? Hope so.
Or to the Right Sector?
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:25 AM
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In post #14 I supposed a civil war and now I fear a civil war and a (presumably) resulting separation of the nation into a pro West and a pro Russia part. This scenario gets more and more realistic, although the opposition became stronger and the time of Yanukovych has been running out.

It is like a crime thirller, but this is a crime thriller with a lot of real blood.
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Suddenly this all made me think of an old cigarette advert, Virginia Slime I think. It said "You've come a longh way baby." Oh really, have we? If I had not seen the sun rise in the east this morning I would swear that someone had reversed the earth's rotation and we were going backward in time.
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