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Old 06-23-2018, 04:52 AM
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Thnx for the context, just wanted to be sure. My take on that is that the "deep state" is the flywheel of experienced bureaucracy that keeps the Nation running during the first years of amateur hour that defines most presidencies. Elininating it gives a result of anarchy similar to the aftermath of operation "Iraqi freedom".
"Trumpism" is a bizarre combination of anarchy and authoritarianism.
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Old 06-23-2018, 07:34 AM
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Thnx for the context, just wanted to be sure. My take on that is that the "deep state" is the flywheel of experienced bureaucracy that keeps the Nation running during the first years of amateur hour that defines most presidencies. Elininating it gives a result of anarchy similar to the aftermath of operation "Iraqi freedom".
"Trumpism" is a bizarre combination of anarchy and authoritarianism.
You forgot incompetence.
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Old 06-23-2018, 08:46 AM
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In 1 week, Trump has tied himself into an impossible immigration knot

Pretty good analysis of Donny’s fine mess, from one of the real news outlets he hates the most, because they report the truth.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/22/polit...not/index.html

If you were to try to chart Trump's positions over the course of week, it would go something like this (we're mostly paraphrasing here and forgive us if we're missing a position or two):

I hate that I have to do this.
It's Democrats' fault. They should work on legislation with Republicans.
This can help us fix the immigration problem.
We can't let the US become a migrant camp.
I can't do anything about it. It's the law I'm enforcing.
The immigration crisis is a monstrosity.
If we don't do this separate children and families, immigrants will flood the border.
Fine. I'll sign an executive order, but I still have zero tolerance.
These kids are fine and staying in the nicest facilities.
Seriously. People are suffering and it's Democrats' fault.
You guys figure it out, I'll sign a bill you give me.
Doesn't matter which one.
The non-bipartisan so-called compromise bill is nice.
These stories of immigrant children are phony.
Fine. Give up. Don't waste your time before the election.
Elect more Republicans.
And it seemed to work. Polling shows that majority of the public blame
the parents and not Trump.
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Old 06-23-2018, 09:19 AM
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And it seemed to work. Polling shows that majority of the public blame
the parents and not Trump
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Only by the likes of dailicaller and washingtontimes.
In reality, why did the Trump administration take two steps back?
First stopping the policy and now looking to reunite?
I smell a disinformation campaign by the real Fake News wing.
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Old 06-23-2018, 09:19 AM
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Whoopie. A poll that pushes an opportunity to blame foreigners elicits a result.
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Old 06-23-2018, 09:28 AM
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Only by the likes of dailicaller and washingtontimes.
In reality, why did the Trump administration take two steps back?
First stopping the policy and now looking to reunite?
I smell a disinformation campaign by the real Fake News wing.
HUFFINGTON:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0040e2742cc90
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Old 06-23-2018, 10:05 AM
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OK, I stand corrected but how does one rationalize this?
If the people are with you (administration), why change the policy?
Or are the pollsters manipulating the people to get desired controversial results?
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Old 06-23-2018, 10:10 AM
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I still view the result as a push. How many would 'fill in the blank' with 'the parents,' unprompted? We'll never know.
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Old 06-23-2018, 10:12 AM
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And I think many were glad to have that alternative to 'blaming their own country,' with the disquieting half-realization somewhere back in their minds that this is a pretty bad thing to blame their own country for....
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Old 06-23-2018, 10:14 AM
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The poll shows just how despicable the Trumpies are. Our country, sadly, has a long history of treating immigrants badly. Even immigrants from other states sometimes; go re-read Steinbeck’s The Grapes of Wrath.

Hatred of those who are different from us is sad, but widely practiced by the ignorant, especially those who have never really experienced other cultures. Tribalism is a retreat to their comfort zone.
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