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06-09-2012, 02:15 AM
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the steps of saul...
He was a great persecuter of christians. On his way to damascus he was converted. Remember that he was the pharisee of the pharisee's.
And should have read pauls plea to the romans.
Atheists tried to discredit him. But when they followed his jpurney through the middle east they became converted. There is a book by a 19th or 18th century writer who went down that path to discredit christianity, but they failed, they became christian, Because pauls writngs were irrefutable...evidence was found to refute the scripture.
So this thread will be about the book of romans...in all my damage. As you see im not a saint. Im not a scholar. Nor do i know how to spell right as you can see.
Bible study any one? Leave your partisanship out of here. Is all i ask. there is no dems or repubs...You are welcome to attend.
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06-09-2012, 02:41 AM
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If you can't read the name of the forum it is you who should walk in Saul's footsteps. Real cute, Romans, you're a fart a minute.
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06-09-2012, 03:45 AM
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I know a woman was raised in a Baptist family, her father was a real fire and brimstone minister as was her grandfather and great grandfather. She followed in their footsteps, Master of Divinity, Ordained Minister, the whole nine yards.
Then, one day, she met, fell in love with and married a man outside her race (And faith, he is white and Jewish.) and learned the hard way just how forgiving and loving Christians really are. (As in---Not at all.)
It didn't destroy her faith entirely, but it changed her a lot. She no longer goes to church and hangs out with "the holy roller hypocrites" as she calls them. Ever. And when she encounters pushy, holier than thou Christians......YIKES!!!!! When politicians try to mix their politics and Christianity---DOUBLE YIKES!!!
Dave
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06-09-2012, 05:12 AM
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Ok, Budget, I'll take the bait...
Let me preface this by saying it has been years since I have read a bible so I can not discuss specific scripture. But, I can discuss opinion and facts.
I respect your right to believe in any god you want. Your right to pray any prayer, your right to idolize any perceived saint, disciple, or angel you see fit.
Having said all that, I simply don't believe in a god and I don't subscribe to any particular religion, not even atheism.
But that is not the only difference between you and I.
The other difference is that I am content to hold my beliefs close without the need to convert others. You, and other religious zealots, insist others must believe the same as you, always trying to convert the non believer, and i find that to be very disrespectful to my rights to believe as I do.
.......with all due respect.
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06-09-2012, 08:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by barbara
Ok, Budget, I'll take the bait...
Let me preface this by saying it has been years since I have read a bible so I can not discuss specific scripture. But, I can discuss opinion and facts.
I respect your right to believe in any god you want. Your right to pray any prayer, your right to idolize any perceived saint, disciple, or angel you see fit.
Having said all that, I simply don't believe in a god and I don't subscribe to any particular religion, not even atheism.
But that is not the only difference between you and I.
The other difference is that I am content to hold my beliefs close without the need to convert others. You, and other religious zealots, insist others must believe the same as you, always trying to convert the non believer, and i find that to be very disrespectful to my rights to believe as I do.
.......with all due respect.
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Excellent post, as usual, my friend.
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06-09-2012, 01:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by barbara
Ok, Budget, I'll take the bait...
Let me preface this by saying it has been years since I have read a bible so I can not discuss specific scripture. But, I can discuss opinion and facts.
I respect your right to believe in any god you want. Your right to pray any prayer, your right to idolize any perceived saint, disciple, or angel you see fit.
Having said all that, I simply don't believe in a god and I don't subscribe to any particular religion, not even atheism.
But that is not the only difference between you and I.
The other difference is that I am content to hold my beliefs close without the need to convert others. You, and other religious zealots, insist others must believe the same as you, always trying to convert the non believer, and i find that to be very disrespectful to my rights to believe as I do.
.......with all due respect.
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My sentiments exactly. While I'm somewhere along the agnostic>atheist>don't give a sh!t continuum, I have a deep abiding interest in world religions though I don't believe in any and don't necessarily agree that they are collectively a force for good. Interesting stuff though.
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06-09-2012, 01:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by finnbow
My sentiments exactly. While I'm somewhere along the agnostic>atheist>don't give a sh!t continuum, I have a deep abiding interest in world religions though I don't believe in any and don't necessarily agree that they are collectively a force for good. Interesting stuff though.
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The religions as institutions are no force for good, just for their own survival. The honest practitioners are another story.
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06-09-2012, 04:32 PM
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The christian religion is important to me because it provides a conscience. More to the point it not only provides (a conscience) for me but for others. At least we have a basic floor on which to stand.
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06-09-2012, 04:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dondilion
The christian religion is important to me because it provides a conscience. More to the point it not only provides (a conscience) for me but for others. At least we have a basic floor on which to stand.
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I agree and may I add Buddha and Mohammed to the floor? The teachings are remarkably the same in their message regardless of human interpertations.
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06-09-2012, 05:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dondilion
The christian religion is important to me because it provides a conscience. More to the point it not only provides (a conscience) for me but for others. At least we have a basic floor on which to stand.
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The implication here is that a moral code based in Christianity is essential to having what you refer to as a conscience. Is that what you believe? Can not Bhuddists, Jews, or Muslim possess a conscience? Can atheists?
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