The Rise and Fall of Obamacare

[VanishingPoi]

Originally Posted by MrPots

I think the final word on health care in the United States is that our entire system is not designed to heal, it doesn't really do that.

The US health care system is designed to suck the wealth out of the middle class through premiums and taxes.

Between health care costs and the MIC this country will soon enough be third world. And we idiots elected the scoundrels that did it.

I found one for $568 a month. I still can't afford it. See what I get for $568 a month:
HMO
Metal Level Bronze
Office Visit for Primary Doctor
Find Doctors 40% Coinsurance after deductible
Office Visit for Spe************************t 40% Coinsurance after deductible
Referral Required for a Spe************************t Yes
Office Visit for Other Practitioner (Nurse, Physician Assistant) 40% Coinsurance after deductible
Annual Deductible Individual: $5,500
Separate Prescription Drugs Deductible Medical Plan Deductible Applies
Coinsurance 40%
Retail Prescription Drugs Generic Drugs: 40% Coinsurance after deductible;
Preferred Brand Drugs: 40% Coinsurance after deductible;
Non-Preferred Brand Drugs: 40% Coinsurance after deductible;
Specialty Drugs: 40% Coinsurance after deductible;
Out-of-Pocket Limit Individual: $6,500
Includes deductible
Lifetime Maximum Unlimited
Health Savings Account (HSA) Eligible Yes

Pretty much, you pay all of your own medical care.

[icenine]

Most of the calculators I have used give me a around a 500 dollar premium if you are single, 54 years old and make around 100,000k a year for my Southern CA zipcode. The cutoff for subsidies are 47k for single and 97k for a family of four.


The idea that the ACA hurts the middle class is probably more a perception than reality. I would imagine a lot of anger at the ACA is people upset that others are getting subsides and that more wealthier people have to pay more for qualified plans.
Plus if the middle class was really being hurt by the ACA I doubt Hillary would have been nominated nor Trump would have won.

One of the lessons of the Great Depression is that progressive change does not really occur until it is the middle class being hurt. So my thought is that if the ACA was so awful then Americans would not be giving Obama such high approval ratings. Sanders would most likely be President if the ACA was damaging the middle class so much and single payer would be heading toward his desk next month. He would have gotten all the super delegates during the primaries and easily defeated the terrible Hillary.

Yeah California is hard. I can see not paying for the ACA if I was single with no assets like a home. But if you own a home with equity and don't have health insurance you will lose everything if you have to the emergency room or become really sick.


I would rather charge $10,000 non-deductible on a credit card than face $100,000 from a collection agency. That is like an instant mortgage.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

Most of the calculators I have used give me a around a 500 dollar premium if you are single, 54 years old and make around 100,000k a year for my Southern CA zipcode. The cutoff for subsidies are 47k for single and 97k for a family of four.


The idea that the ACA hurts the middle class is probably more a perception than reality. I would imagine a lot of anger at the ACA is people upset that others are getting subsides and that more wealthier people have to pay more for qualified plans.
Plus if the middle class was really being hurt by the ACA I doubt Hillary would have been nominated nor Trump would have won.

One of the lessons of the Great Depression is that progressive change does not really occur until it is the middle class being hurt. So my thought is that if the ACA was so awful then Americans would not be giving Obama such high approval ratings. Sanders would most likely be President if the ACA was damaging the middle class so much and single payer would be heading toward his desk next month. He would have gotten all the super delegates during the primaries and easily defeated the terrible Hillary.

Yeah California is hard. I can see not paying for the ACA if I was single with no assets like a home. But if you own a home with equity and don't have health insurance you will lose everything if you have to the emergency room or become really sick.


I would rather charge $10,000 non-deductible on a credit card than face $100,000 from a collection agency. That is like an instant mortgage.

Thank you for providing the perspective of an out of touch elitist with a six figure income and free Cadillac care from the government.

[icenine]

https://www.arcamax.com/politics/fro...bank/s-1907332


Oh the voters didn't take the Baron Von Trump literally.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

https://www.arcamax.com/politics/fro...bank/s-1907332


Oh the voters didn't take the Baron Von Trump literally.

It's a shame that these people have bought into Hillarybot scare tactics, instead of listening to what Trump has said about this issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P1sGkLHoxw

[icenine]

Quoted from the above article by Dana Milbanks cited by the very smart Dr Zaius:




“I don’t know what we’ll do if it does go away,” Mills said. “I guess I thought that, you know, [Trump] would not do this. That they would not do this, would not take the insurance away. Knowing that it’s affecting so many people’s lives. I mean, what are you to do then if you cannot ... purchase, cannot pay for the insurance?”

Her husband needs a liver transplant and is covered by the ACA. Yet she voted for Trump.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by icenine

Quoted from the above article by Dana Milbanks cited by the very smart Dr Zaius:




“I don’t know what we’ll do if it does go away,” Mills said. “I guess I thought that, you know, [Trump] would not do this. That they would not do this, would not take the insurance away. Knowing that it’s affecting so many people’s lives. I mean, what are you to do then if you cannot ... purchase, cannot pay for the insurance?”

Her husband needs a liver transplant and is covered by the ACA. Yet she voted for Trump.

I guess giving us ' latte drinking coastal elites' the finger was more important than her husband getting a new liver.

[donquixote99]

People used to say, in Czarist Russia, as the Czar's secret police dragged off a family member, "If only the Czar knew about this, he'd put a stop to it."

They'll say it about Trump. And be just as wrong. But it's not just human beings in other countries who are programmed to love their Dear Leader....

[nailer]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

People used to say, in Czarist Russia, as the Czar's secret police dragged off a family member, "If only the Czar knew about this, he'd put a stop to it."

They'll say it about Trump. And be just as wrong. But it's not just human beings in other countries who are programmed to love their Dear Leader....

Russians are known for their sardonic sense of humor.

[icenine]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0d9a5945716c2


The big point this whole article is missing is that the moron in question has the luxury to wait overnight since his Congressional insurance will pay for the fixation of the fracture. He is mean for waiting a day since his kid is in pain. He is an even bigger asshole for wanting to take away other people's insurance but keeping his own public option health care of course.

Is this where everyone gets mad and demands single payer? No. People voted for this guy.