GOP's AHCA aka Trump-RyanCare

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Originally Posted by finnbow

When you see Thiessen saying that, you know you're in deep shit. He's a loyal boy scout with little imagination.

It's stunning how many hard right pundits are sounding the alarm while McConnell and Ryan are pressing this idiotic legislation that guts Medicaid to give a big tax break to the well to do and corps.

The Democrats had better capitalize on this in '18. I think they will.

[Rajoo]

ANOTHER POLL FINDS TRUMP’S APPROVAL IN THE TOILET: A new PBS/NPR/Marist poll finds Trump’s approval rating at 37-51. And here’s another striking finding:

Who do you think is a more effective leader?

President Donald Trump: 34

Former president Barack Obama: 58

Looks like a large majority of Americans are already tired of all the winning.

If only Obama could have ran for a third term.

[Chicks]

McConnell exposes the Orange idiot's big healthcare lie, admits they will be forced to work with Dems to repair ACA when their hateful bill fails.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-biggest-lies/

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Originally Posted by finnbow

The bottom line is that any GOP plan will be a employer-provided fee-for-service plan, as Obamacare was forced to be because of resistance at the time to single-payer. Anything else (complete repeal of Obamacare or single-payer) is a bridge too far for the GOP.

The only party with a viable plan that represents true change to the system is the Dems with single-payer, but its enactment would represent an existential threat for many in the health-care industry (e.g., insurance, pharamaceuticals) and would thereby require huge bipartisan support, something it's not going to get in the near future. So, we're essentially stuck with tweaked Obamacare for the time being. The quicker the GOP recognizes and admits this, the better.

If "tweaked Obamacare" kicks the mandates and tax penalties to the curb, doesn't lock folks into health plan choices that they either don't want or can't afford, and allows them more control over how their health care dollars are spent, doesn't require thousands of pages of IRS regulations to enforce, and doesn't require businesses large and small to spend millions of extra dollars to support compliance, it'll be an improvement.

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Originally Posted by finnbow

The only party with a viable plan that represents true change to the system is the Dems with single-payer ...

Which is why we got the ACA when they got control of both houses and the Oval Office in 08.

I don't recall single payer being part of Clinton's 2016 campaign.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by nailer

Which is why we got the ACA when they got control of both houses and the Oval Office in 08.

I don't recall single payer being part of Clinton's 2016 campaign.

Obama and Clinton are both moderates.

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Originally Posted by d-ray657

Obama and Clinton are both moderates.

And when was the last time we had a liberal Democrat as President?

FWIW, the Democratic Party is moderate/conservative, as shown by their 2016 primary.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by nailer

And when was the last time we had a liberal Democrat as President?

FWIW, the Democratic Party is moderate/conservative, as shown by their 2016 primary.

I agree. Neither Obama nor Clinton would lead the charge for a single payer system, but I expect either one of them would sign off on legislation creating one. And I also have a good guess about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by nailer

And when was the last time we had a liberal Democrat as President?

FWIW, the Democratic Party is moderate/conservative, as shown by their 2016 primary.

Captain Obvious strikes again.

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Originally Posted by d-ray657

I agree. Neither Obama nor Clinton would lead the charge for a single payer system, but I expect either one of them would sign off on legislation creating one. And I also have a good guess about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

And getting a legislature liberal enough to pass single payer will happen when Hell freezes over, which isn't going to happen anytime soon thanks to Global Clensing.