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[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

CNN never published the contents of the salacious report. They just wrote about it being released by BuzzFeed and provided context to the release. The journalistic ethics are indeed debatable, as was the media printing the material stolen by Russia and released by Wikileaks (with Trump cheerleading the effort) . Trump being a Putin tool is less so. Perhaps releasing his tax returns would help clarify things, as might a FBI investigation of the Trump campaign's coordination with Mother Russia. This story is far from over.

For someone who swears up and down they're not a Dem, you certainly find a way time and again to spout Dem talking points. There will be no "FBI investigation" into "coordination with Russia" because there's no evidence for the FBI to pursue, unless Harry Reid's oral diarrhea is treated as evidence. Zip. Zero. Nada.

....unless of course McCain delivers more made-up BS to Comey.

[MrPots]

But there was certainly lots of evidence that Obama was a Muslim and not a US citizen right? enough for 50 or 60 investigations at taxpayers expense. And how many Benghazi and e-mail investigations were there that turned up nothing?

What self serving putzes you republicans are.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

For someone who swears up and down they're not a Dem, you certainly find a way time and again to spout Dem talking points. There will be no "FBI investigation" into "coordination with Russia" because there's no evidence for the FBI to pursue, unless Harry Reid's oral diarrhea is treated as evidence. Zip. Zero. Nada.

....unless of course McCain delivers more made-up BS to Comey.

Your Politifact link does not, in any way, say that there is no evidence of Trump campaign coordination with Russia. In fact, it points out several specific instances of Trump campaign and Russian officials maintaining that some degree of coordination occurred.

Indeed, it appears that the "FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (FISA) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ussia-contacts

While you may find Trump to be credible and honest, I don't. Unless and until he releases his tax returns, I choose to believe that he is thereby hiding something, possibly financial ties to Russia (that his own son bragged about). If Trump can demand Obama's birth certificate, the nation should demand his tax returns.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

For someone who swears up and down they're not a Dem, you certainly find a way time and again to spout Dem talking points. There will be no "FBI investigation" into "coordination with Russia" because there's no evidence for the FBI to pursue, unless Harry Reid's oral diarrhea is treated as evidence. Zip. Zero. Nada.

....unless of course McCain delivers more made-up BS to Comey.

You're down to ranting and sputtering.

Tell us again how you don't defend Donald Trump.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Your Politifact link does not, in any way, say that there is no evidence of Trump campaign coordination with Russia. In fact, it points out several specific instances of Trump campaign and Russian officials maintaining that some degree of coordination occurred.

Indeed, it appears that the "FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (FISA) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ussia-contacts

While you may find Trump to be credible and honest, I don't. Unless and until he releases his tax returns, I choose to believe that he is thereby hiding something, possibly financial ties to Russia (that his own son bragged about). If Trump can demand Obama's birth certificate, the nation should demand his tax returns.

First of all, there were two links in my post. The Politifact link that suggest that any info about meetings and the subjects thereof are sources of great speculation, but little fact. Also, that the Hillary and Trump camps had "meetings" with "the Russians" during the campaign.

The other is from your favorite paper, WaPo. That link states that there's no evidence of any collusion or influence.

What is most important from your post above, however, is that you "choose to believe" all of this. Belief that is not based on evidence is faith.

I submit that you desperately need to hold on to that faith because its the only way that your little but-hurt psyche can handle the outcome of the election. Reality for you is just to much to handle otherwise. No need to be ashamed of this by the way. There's a lot of that faith, choosing to believe without evidence, creating an alternate reality, etc. on the left these days, so you're not alone. But its great that you have a place like this that you can come and commiserate with like minded souls who can't deal with the facts, and you can all work together making shit up to help you feel better....

...and then you can read about it in the paper and watch it on TV because there are plenty of like-minded souls in the news and editorial pages of WaPo and the NY Times, and CNN and MSNBC.

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

You're down to ranting and sputtering.

Tell us again how you don't defend Donald Trump.

If point out the facts and laughing at unhinged folks like you is somehow "defending Donald Trump", then yeah, I'm all in.

[whell]

Originally Posted by MrPots

But there was certainly lots of evidence that Obama was a Muslim and not a US citizen right? enough for 50 or 60 investigations at taxpayers expense. And how many Benghazi and e-mail investigations were there that turned up nothing?

What self serving putzes you republicans are.

Fish stinks from the head, Pots. If the Prez and the Sec'y of State didn't spend a month lying about what happened, there might not have been any investigations.

I guess gone are the good old days when the Prez passes the buck, but at least there's an underling, like Janet Reno for instance, who can take the heat.

[Rajoo]

IZAHGNEB, that's Benghazi in reverse and might as well get used to it since it is well deserved. Calling every damaging news fake news simply invites more scrutiny.
Pretty soon Trump will need a Twitter Secretary to defend himself.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

First of all, there were two links in my post. The Politifact link that suggest that any info about meetings and the subjects thereof are sources of great speculation, but little fact. Also, that the Hillary and Trump camps had "meetings" with "the Russians" during the campaign.

The other is from your favorite paper, WaPo. That link states that there's no evidence of any collusion or influence.

What is most important from your post above, however, is that you "choose to believe" all of this. Belief that is not based on evidence is faith.

Given that Trump is the biggest liar to ever grace the American political stage and his (and his staff's) past involvement with Russia/Putin, I will not give him the benefit of the doubt about his nondisclosed taxes and how they may or may not reflect poorly upon him. I'll simply assume they do and he can prove me wrong. I could care less if you like it or not. He's a dishonest, disingenuous, unethical and amoral scoundrel and if you choose to believe all his ridiculous utterances, more power to you. I don't.

[CarlV]

Indeed, after all that birther crap especially. The press enabled this and now he turns on them. The level of his playing up to Russia and his lack of honesty actually leaves me very concerned about his loyalty to the USA. He dismisses everything questioning Russia's motives, and we all know what Putin is all about.


Carl