Will Trump and the Birthers now shut up?

[Krazygrrl]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

And this is someone who is offended by being referred to as a troll? What is it that qualifies union members - i.e. - people who work for a living - as extortionists or worse?

Regards,

D-Ray

Ray... this was a joke. Joke: A story with a humorous climax. Good lord!

Since you want to make this "serious", what qualifies Tea Party members (who have always worked, raised families, owned business, and been productive) as "extortionists"? Or is it again, so typical from Democrats: Do as I say, not as I do?

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Yeah, I've noticed you're not quick with compliments.

Eddie, you simply haven't ruffled my feathers that much yet. You are still at the "liberal or Democrat" stage.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by finnbow

That Chas sure is a profound .............. for a redneck.

For the record, I too am a redneck (by Suburban Maryland standards anyway).

I'll have you know I'm an ignert hillbilly.

Chas

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Charles

I'll have you know I'm an ignert hillbilly.

Chas

Is that a step up, down or sideways?

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Krazygrrl

Ray... this was a joke. Joke: A story with a humorous climax. Good lord!

Since you want to make this "serious", what qualifies Tea Party members (who have always worked, raised families, owned business, and been productive) as "extortionists"? Or is it again, so typical from Democrats: Do as I say, not as I do?



Eddie, you simply haven't ruffled my feathers that much yet. You are still at the "liberal or Democrat" stage.

Oops, used the wrong smiley. Probably should have been a combination of - Smilies are more limited her than at AK.

In response to your question, the situation in which tea party members have been referred to as "terrorists" or "extortionists" exists only in your spin room. As I explained before, Biden referred to the negotiations withe other politicians - those in the tea party caucus - as negotiations with terrorists. You have attempted to spin that set of circumstances into something that it is not. It is false to say that Biden referred to the folks wearing teabags on their hats and misspelling "youth in asia" as terrorists.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Charles]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Is that a step up, down or sideways?

Well, I don't have plastic gonads hanging from the differential on my ol' pickup...so you make the call.

Chas

[Krazygrrl]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Oops, used the wrong smiley. Probably should have been a combination of - Smilies are more limited her than at AK.

In response to your question, the situation in which tea party members have been referred to as "terrorists" or "extortionists" exists only in your spin room. As I explained before, Biden referred to the negotiations withe other politicians - those in the tea party caucus - as negotiations with terrorists. You have attempted to spin that set of circumstances into something that it is not. It is false to say that Biden referred to the folks wearing teabags on their hats and misspelling "youth in asia" as terrorists.

Regards,

D-Ray

Is it false, Ray? I presented a video in which Congressman Welch addressed this VERY fact. The labeling of the Tea Party as terrorists by Biden and others. Perhaps you should review it. Perhaps, because the good congressman isn't a Democrat, it has to be hateful spin without merit.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Krazygrrl

Is it false, Ray? I presented a video in which Congressman Welch addressed this VERY fact. The labeling of the Tea Party as terrorists by Biden and others. Perhaps you should review it. Perhaps, because the good congressman isn't a Democrat, it has to be hateful spin without merit.

First, I am not Ray - any more than Stevie Ray Vaughn is Ray.

Welch was addressing a questionable allegation about a statement from Joe Biden, not a fact. Welch's position was consistent with much of the right wing spin about Biden's alleged comment.

The position that Biden called the tea party terrorists is, at its very best spin, but I think it is something worse.

Even assuming that Politico was absolutely accurate in it's reporting, it is clear that the subject of the private conversation in which Biden was involved was the tactics of a particular group of politicians negotiating over the extension of the debt ceiling. It is a flat out falsehood to start from Politico's questionable version of events and transform it into an alleged diatribe against the entire population of a protest movement. It's almost as bad as taking one jagoff's statement about zionist bankers and suggesting that the entire Occupy Wall Street movement is antisemitic.

As it turns out, it is questionable whether Biden even made the alleged comment about the politician/negotiators.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Krazygrrl]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Welch's position was consistent with much of the right wing spin about Biden's alleged comment.

Well there you go... the above does say a lot, especially about objectivity (or the lack there of). It seems for you, there can be no arguments, no instances, nothing at all, that anyone with a liberal bent or heaven forbid a Democrat politician, could ever be wrong. Congressman Welch called Biden out, you crusade to defend Biden and his cohorts. Even Biden admitted, later, that he made those statements in several interviews. Welch also spoke of other similar questionable statements. Are all of them "spin" or fabrication? I think not. According to you, Welch has to be wrong because he isn't a Democrat, that he has to put right-wing "spin" on it. There was no spin in the video, he just asked for civility and pointed out that what was said was inappropriate.

Regardless, it is plain wrong to even assert that a group of sworn elected representatives, members of Congress, "negotiate like terrorists". That is wrong, on so many levels. Those that defend this outrageous behavior, due to ideology or other reasons, should really ask themselves some serious questions about personal ethics and morality. I just wonder, how you would have reacted if it were Republicans proclaiming that Democrats negotiated like "terrorists". Frankly Sir, it would surprise me fundamentally if you would then defend the Republican's behavior with the same vigor that you do Joe Biden and his Democrats. I cannot even remotely fathom, that you would.

The Vice President of the United States has to be held to a higher standard than Joe Schmoe. Even if he made these statements in private, concerning elected officials, members of Congress all, then there is a serious problem. Joe Biden, as you have previously pointed out, has a problem with making inappropriate statements. That simply does not excuse his unbecoming behavior, regardless of the fact that there is a (D) in front of his name.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Krazygrrl

Regardless, it is plain wrong to even assert that a group of sworn elected representatives, members of Congress, "negotiate like terrorists". That is wrong, on so many levels. Those that defend this outrageous behavior, due to ideology or other reasons, should really ask themselves some serious questions about personal ethics and morality. I just wonder, how you would have reacted if it were Republicans proclaiming that Democrats negotiated like "terrorists". Frankly Sir, it would surprise me fundamentally if you would then defend the Republican's behavior with the same vigor that you do Joe Biden and his Democrats. I cannot even remotely fathom, that you would.

In the context to the debt ceiling negotiations, the Tea Party caucus did indeed hold the country hostage to their ridiculous and harmful demands.

[Krazygrrl]

Originally Posted by finnbow

In the context to the debt ceiling negotiations, the Tea Party caucus did indeed hold the country hostage to their ridiculous and harmful demands.

I agree there was inflexibility on their part. That does not make them "terrorists", it makes them inflexible maybe, ridged too, and even hard-headed, but not "terrorists".

The question needs to be asked why the deficit got so high in the first place... and it wasn't because of George Bush.