Another church mass killing

[Rajoo]

Texas Church Shooting Leaves at Least 25 Dead, Official Says

Gunman killed or dead. Let the hand wringing and candlelight vigils begin since there is nothing else to do. Places of worship used to be sanctuaries and now nothing is sacred.

Verb sad and my condolences to the families of the loved ones.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/u...=top-news&_r=0

[BlueStreak]

And now the ammosexual community braces themselves for what they consider to be the greater tragedy; Talk of gun control. I love it when these soulless bastards claim they have to continue to flood our society with ever more weaponry; ".....because it's so dangerous out there!". Yeah, we know. Thanks.

[finnbow]

If a Muslim did it, conservatives will be outraged. If a non-Muslim did it, there will be empty, vacuous words from conservatives and we'll move on. Seen this movie before.

[Oerets]

We need some real gun control, common sense approach to this problem.


Come on do we really want this keep happening over and over?


Barney

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Oerets

We need some real gun control, common sense approach to this problem.


Come on do we really want this keep happening over and over?


Barney

This is not the time to talk about gun control when people are grieving.
Give it a few days till this episode is forgotten and then we can talk abut it, which is usually never.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by Oerets

We need some real gun control, common sense approach to this problem.


Come on do we really want this keep happening over and over?


Barney

I'm not sure anyone really cares anymore.

[ebacon]

Originally Posted by MrPots

I'm not sure anyone really cares anymore.

I will go on the record as being burned out on the shooting and gun debate bullshit in this country.

In high school I had an electronics teacher that was also an Army reservist. We got into an argument as to why I like to shoot guns. My position was that I enjoyed the physics of how to put projectiles in the bullseye. He told me bullshit, what was really in my mind was that I wanted to perfect shooting someone.

His position struck me as odd. Perhaps he did not know that my grandfather was a competitive shooter and I was raised on paper targets. My Army father also scolded me for pointing a pistol hand gesture at people on TV. As an Army brat I have a black/white level of contrast between paper targets and human targets.

Back to my teacher and his position that shooting practice is for killing. If I put myself in his shoes then I might know what it is like to be shot at and be forced to return fire. A lot of the world would make sense then, e.g. professional concealed carry instructors teaching their students to not shoot unless a weapon is pointed at them; the old saying of don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes, etc. But I have never been in his shoes. I have never been forced to shoot accurately at someone that is pointing a weapon at me.

Instead, as a responsible gun owner, I am forced to fight with words and explain what might make a person shoot first. My suspicion is that shooters feel like they are out of options as to how to contribute to society, so they choose martyrdom.

If leaders are seriously interested in reducing shootings then they need to work together to provide meaningful work for their citizens and employees. By meaningful work I mean work that pays bills through arm length transactions. Volunteer work, by my definition, is not meaningful. It does not pay bills. However volunteer workers do provide guidance for leaders as to what kind of jobs are meaningful.

Please don't shoot me for hating on the spirit of the Thousand Points of Light.

[bobabode]

I'm done with the debate too. All of you so-called responsible gun owners had your chance, over and over and over again. The bodies keep piling up while you mewl about your fucking god given rights to own mil-spec hardware.

Melt 'em down, melt 'em all down.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by ebacon

I will go on the record as being burned out on the shooting and gun debate bullshit in this country.

In high school I had an electronics teacher that was also an Army reservist. We got into an argument as to why I like to shoot guns. My position was that I enjoyed the physics of how to put projectiles in the bullseye. He told me bullshit, what was really in my mind was that I wanted to perfect shooting someone.

His position struck me as odd. Perhaps he did not know that my grandfather was a competitive shooter and I was raised on paper targets. My Army father also scolded me for pointing a pistol hand gesture at people on TV. As an Army brat I have a black/white level of contrast between paper targets and human targets.

Back to my teacher and his position that shooting practice is for killing. If I put myself in his shoes then I might know what it is like to be shot at and be forced to return fire. A lot of the world would make sense then, e.g. professional concealed carry instructors teaching their students to not shoot unless a weapon is pointed at them; the old saying of don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes, etc. But I have never been in his shoes. I have never been forced to shoot accurately at someone that is pointing a weapon at me.

Instead, as a responsible gun owner, I am forced to fight with words and explain what might make a person shoot first. My suspicion is that shooters feel like they are out of options as to how to contribute to society, so they choose martyrdom.

If leaders are seriously interested in reducing shootings then they need to work together to provide meaningful work for their citizens and employees. By meaningful work I mean work that pays bills through arm length transactions. Volunteer work, by my definition, is not meaningful. It does not pay bills. However volunteer workers do provide guidance for leaders as to what kind of jobs are meaningful.

Please don't shoot me for hating on the spirit of the Thousand Points of Light.

That's an interesting thought.

I strongly believe our culture of violence is also a contributor to the rise of mass shootings. We've made killing a game and victims are nothing but points to be scored. Violence permeates our entertainment via movies and television, and it obsesses our young through video games. Kill as many as you can and win a gold star. Perhaps this is too simplistic, but then sometimes the answer is the obvious choice.

[ebacon]

Originally Posted by MrPots

That's an interesting thought.

I strongly believe our culture of violence is also a contributor to the rise of mass shootings. We've made killing a game and victims are nothing but points to be scored. Violence permeates our entertainment via movies and television, and it obsesses our young through video games. Kill as many as you can and win a gold star. Perhaps this is too simplistic, but then sometimes the answer is the obvious choice.

I agree. There is a natural tendency to need to win. That's Darwinism.

As a lawyer though, I need to cock my head and think deeper than mere survival. After all I will not die if I lose a debate. I might be poorer and not make headlines, but at least I participated. Even Supreme Court justices lose but they have the courage to write dissenting opinions.

With regard to mass shootings, I have written on the internet for years that there is something deeper going on with violence in America. This is a noisy place to live and our economic policies squeeze us into win-lose situations. Make or break is in our vocabulary. That is an effed-up level of contrast for daily living. People crack and I do not blame them. I continue to blame our policies.