Your thoughts on this.

[one1]

Is any of this from the sun tzu playbook.Imma go and watch some disney movie,I have had enuff reality for the day.

[BlueStreak]

I don't recall the exact words, but;

Maneuvering your enemy into dependence on you economically and materially is a way of defeating and controlling them, yes.

Sun Tzu said, (IIRC), "The sweetest conquests are those gained without spilling a single drop of blood."

Dave

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by one1

Oh ,I did not see the thread Bigerik started.One thing I did not realize when I was researching this is that America is in dept to China to the tune of over one trillion dollars,Is this a Fact?
I always thought everybody owed us.

Japan comes in at a close second at about 1.2 trillion, and then there is a short list of countries who we only own 100 - 300 billion, and a lot of smaller ones after that.

http://viableopposition.blogspot.com...eral-debt.html


In short, if we default there's going to be a whole lotta hurt spread around.

[Dondilion]

I like what the Chinese are doing with some of our money.

They are doing a lot of infrastructure work in Africa.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by MrPots

Japan comes in at a close second at about 1.2 trillion, and then there is a short list of countries who we only own 100 - 300 billion, and a lot of smaller ones after that.

http://viableopposition.blogspot.com...eral-debt.html


In short, if we default there's going to be a whole lotta hurt spread around.

Thus it is said: " when America sneezes, the world catches a cold"
Deficits baby, more deficits.

[Bigerik]

I gotta chuckle sometimes when I see folks over at the audio site comparing china now to Japan 40 years ago. Totally different animals. The Japanese played hard and aggressively, and weren't afraid to bend the rules some when they could get away with it. China, however, doesn't give a shit about out rule book. They will do anything and everything to win.

And the silly thing is that the US is totally capitulating without a fight. The US is in the middle of the biggest economic war in its history, and it isn't even showing up on the battlefield. It pisses its resources away on silly wars against enemies who really can't hurt it, while one enemy is decimating Americas actual strength (it's manufacturing base), and the American people are just handing away their jobs and their wealth. It's not even being taken from them. They are just willingly giving it up.

What China has done to the US is worse then what a thousand bin Ladens could do. 3 million manufacturing jobs gone in 10 years. $560 Billion left the country in 2012 alone. Why is the recovery so slow? No one wants to actually say that it's because the economic engine of the US, that force which pulled it out of every recession, is being wiped out.

At least you'll be happy to know where your money and technology went to. Ladies and gentlemen, the new Tang class submarine. Developed and paid for by the US taxpayer. And guess where those 24 missiles are pointed at.



edit: Just to clarify, I am not against foreign trade or against China or the Chinese people. I'm all in favor of trade with any country with we can have fair and reasonable reciprocal trade arrangements. Trade with China is NOT that. I am not in favor of giving up our kids futures to save a buck today.

[donquixote99]

I'm for American jobs, first of all. But how can you be for "fair recipriocal trade agreements' and say there is something unfair about how we trade with China? It's 'most favored nation status,' as free as it gets this side of 'super-free-trade,' like NAFTA.

I guess you think it should be less free. Exactly what sort of restrictions do you favor? Serious question. Like i say, I'm all for American jobs.

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I'm for American jobs, first of all. But how can you be for "fair recipriocal trade agreements' and say there is something unfair about how we trade with China? It's 'most favored nation status,' as free as it gets this side of 'super-free-trade,' like NAFTA.

I guess you think it should be less free. Exactly what sort of restrictions do you favor? Serious question. Like i say, I'm all for American jobs.

America is trading fairly (basically). The Chinese are not. The Chinese market is effectively closed to US goods. The US market is certainly not closed to China.

For example, before GM was allowed to sell the Volt in China, they had to share the Voltec technology with a Chinese company. GM rightly told them to go and pound salt, and now the Volt is basically dead in the Chinese market.

To be honest, I liked Tom Clancy's approach. Make US trade laws mirror those of whatever country they are trading with. The ultimate in fair trade!

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

America is trading fairly (basically). The Chinese are not. The Chinese market is effectively closed to US goods. The US market is certainly not closed to China.

For example, before GM was allowed to sell the Volt in China, they had to share the Voltec technology with a Chinese company. GM rightly told them to go and pound salt, and now the Volt is basically dead in the US market.

To be honest, I liked Tom Clancy's approach. Make US trade laws mirror those of whatever country they are trading with. The ultimate in fair trade!

For all of this free trade, NAFTA, pie in the sky horseshit, it's working the wrong way.

Instead of elevating the average Chinaman peon into the middle class, we're lowering the average middle class American into a peon marching off to work...with a bayonet up his ass.

An economic bayonet, but what's the difference. It's all about money.

Welcome to the NWO, Agenda 21, and sustainability.

Your masters have spoken. Perhaps it's even necessary.

But I have a real hard time kissing their arrogant asses...bayonet or not.

Chas

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by Charles

For all of this free trade, NAFTA, pie in the sky horseshit, it's working the wrong way.

Instead of elevating the average Chinaman peon into the middle class, we're lowering the average middle class American into a peon marching off to work...with a bayonet up his ass.

An economic bayonet, but what's the difference. It's all about money.

Welcome to the NWO, Agenda 21, and sustainability.

Your masters have spoken. Perhaps it's even necessary.

But I have a real hard time kissing their arrogant asses...bayonet or not.

Chas

Yup.
That's about right. And we are also giving the government the high tech tools to oppress the people, rather than giving them the freedom they were supposed to have. So not only do we end up screwing ourselves, the Chinese workers don't benefit either. Or at least not as much as letting them into the WTO was supposed to.