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Old 01-17-2018, 09:38 AM
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lol! You're hilarious, especially when you act like a snowflake.
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Old 01-17-2018, 11:28 AM
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Am I correct is reading your post as an indication of basic hostility to the Democratic Party? That is, you hope they learn nothing, make more mistakes, and so lose elections to Republicans, including Trumpists?

I predict you will not reply. You generally are too wary to engage in dialog with people you feel may be critical.
It is an indication of basic hostility to the "Clinton Machine".

I would hope they, Democrats, learn a lot: Not to invest in old tired, papered over venality.

If Democrats want to limit effectively Republican rural advantage, then
they should try to present a face so that enough independent minded rural folks would be willing to step out in the snow for them.
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Old 01-17-2018, 12:54 PM
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It is an indication of basic hostility to the "Clinton Machine".

I would hope they, Democrats, learn a lot: Not to invest in old tired, papered over venality.

If Democrats want to limit effectively Republican rural advantage, then
they should try to present a face so that enough independent minded rural folks would be willing to step out in the snow for them.
I do agree with you somewhat on the downfall of the "Clinton Machine" since people do get irked when not given choices.

As for both parties, they operate on the extremes. The GOP is more effective in energizing their voters on topics like Religion, Abortion, Race, LGBT etc. to get them to vote for them while they impoverish their electorate. The Dem's OTOH have gone away from bread and butter issues. They have no message and part of the problem is that we have brain dead people like Feinstein, Pelosi and Schumer that have no new ideas since they are incapable of thinking anymore. Similar to the Utah moron Orrin Hatch who claimed that the Trump presidency is going to be one of the greatest ever; does he not know that Trump's approval ratings are in the gutter?

Perhaps future aspiring Democrats will follow the Doug Jones model and get elected through grass roots movement at the local level than be beholden to the national party.
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:14 PM
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Ah, let's do an experiment:

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Old 01-17-2018, 01:17 PM
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It is an indication of basic hostility to the "Clinton Machine".

I would hope they, Democrats, learn a lot: Not to invest in old tired, papered over venality.

If Democrats want to limit effectively Republican rural advantage, then
they should try to present a face so that enough independent minded rural folks would be willing to step out in the snow for them.
OK, no real argument with that, though I think you use the term 'venality' sort-of loosely....
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:55 PM
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I do agree with you somewhat on the downfall of the "Clinton Machine" since people do get irked when not given choices.

As for both parties, they operate on the extremes. The GOP is more effective in energizing their voters on topics like Religion, Abortion, Race, LGBT etc. to get them to vote for them while they impoverish their electorate. The Dem's OTOH have gone away from bread and butter issues. They have no message and part of the problem is that we have brain dead people like Feinstein, Pelosi and Schumer that have no new ideas since they are incapable of thinking anymore. Similar to the Utah moron Orrin Hatch who claimed that the Trump presidency is going to be one of the greatest ever; does he not know that Trump's approval ratings are in the gutter?
Sorry, but I think the bolded statement above is really interesting, and really wrong. Its interesting because - if you read the article - disaffected Dems believe that those are the types of issues that dominate the discussion within the national party, but don't really impact the day to day life of most folks.

On the other hand, while I suspect there are some, I don't know of anyone I know motivated to get out to the polls and vote due to the social issues you cite above. Not one. I think the old saw that "folks vote with their pocketbook" is far more of a factor on election day for most.
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:56 PM
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Ah, let's do an experiment:

You're suggesting you're Bluto? That's hilarious too.
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You're suggesting you're Bluto? That's hilarious too.
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:34 PM
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LOL

I didn't forget that you're acting like a fool while accusing me of the same behavior. Why not be the change you want to see? Lead by example? Etc? Why not try commenting on the thread's topic and the article instead of trying to change the subject...or whatever the hell it is you're doing?
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