GOP's AHCA aka Trump-RyanCare

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

No.

I just say that for show.

Then there's no reason to take anything you say seriously, is there?

[bobabode]

http://www.vox.com/2017/3/9/14869448...-health-reform

List of critics per Vox.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Then there's no reason to take anything you say seriously, is there?

Just like his Trumpenfuhrer - meaningless, vindictive noise.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Then there's no reason to take anything you say seriously, is there?

No.

[donquixote99]

The Koch's are against it. Tax credits for those schmucks? Let them die.

[sheltiedave]

I have to laugh when the AMA is described as being "left leaning." In most cases a majority of the AMA doctors I know are slightly right of Attila the Hun.

However, they do recognize the "new" plan will cause the insurance rolls to shrink, which means less payable business for them. They oppose the new plan because it hits them hard in the pocketbook, where as nursing organizations oppose it because it ensures more people will go without adequate medical care.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

I have to laugh when the AMA is described as being "left leaning." In most cases a majority of the AMA doctors I know are slightly right of Attila the Hun.

However, they do recognize the "new" plan will cause the insurance rolls to shrink, which means less payable business for them. They oppose the new plan because it hits them hard in the pocketbook, where as nursing organizations oppose it because it ensures more people will go without adequate medical care.

Which would mean fewer nursing jobs too.

[sheltiedave]

Originally Posted by nailer

Which would mean fewer nursing jobs too.

Poor people with no insurance still use emergency rooms for their doctor, but they cannot pay.

Nurses are mainly hourly workers and are focused on providing direct care to patients. They generally do not need to focus on profit, expenses, or revenue streams until they get quite high in management. During periods of low census with beds not filled, nurses get sent home.

Having many, many relatives on both the doctor and nurse side, the nurses almost always are advocating for universal health care because they want people to have proper basic medical care.

The doctors are torn between their oath to promote the health and welfare of their patients, the desire to make lots of money(or more money,) and the universal scorn that their money making ability, the rates they charge, and their independent ability to practice are limited on all sides by insurance companies, the government, and the advent of UHC or single payer.

This trifecta of concerns drives doctors to be Republican in nature.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

Poor people with no insurance still use emergency rooms for their doctor, but they cannot pay.

Nurses are mainly hourly workers and are focused on providing direct care to patients. They generally do not need to focus on profit, expenses, or revenue streams until they get quite high in management. During periods of low census with beds not filled, nurses get sent home.

Having many, many relatives on both the doctor and nurse side, the nurses almost always are advocating for universal health care because they want people to have proper basic medical care.

The doctors are torn between their oath to promote the health and welfare of their patients, the desire to make lots of money(or more money,) and the universal scorn that their money making ability, the rates they charge, and their independent ability to practice are limited on all sides by insurance companies, the government, and the advent of UHC or single payer.

This trifecta of concerns drives doctors to be Republican in nature.

At my old civilian x-ray job they called it flexing. If it was slow they would want to send someone home early so the Hospital saved on paying wages. If it was busy they would want you to work an unscheduled overtime. Anyway if they sent you home early you would be losing out on money to pay the mortgage, and the only recourse would be for you to not get paid or use PTO to make up the difference. So they were screwing workers out of vacation time as well.

Most for profit hospitals want to game the system when it comes to paying their staff (I am not talking about doctors either). I would rather work a steady 40 hours a week with good pay at an adequately staffed hospital than get paid a higher wage but get bounced around like a basketball doing on call because the hospital is too cheap to adequately staff all shifts.

You would be surprised at how some hospitals treat their employees not too differently than fast food workers. Sure they might pay $30-40 bucks an hour but they pull a lot of BS to screw workers out of decent hours and benefits. My experience working in a for profit non-union hospital in the West. I have heard that the East Coast hospitals are better because more are union.

[donquixote99]

Everyone is having a go at the new health <ahem> plan, but I think Trevor Noah really got off an excellent segment. At the end, Trump sets himself up perfectly and then Trump lets him have it! Definitely a 10!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QD-jvOJfgA