GOP's AHCA aka Trump-RyanCare

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

The lose - lose situation would be to do nothing, and let the mess that is the ACA continue to wreak havoc with the individual insurance market.

The GOP would own that too.

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Originally Posted by finnbow

The GOP would own that too.

No they wouldn't. Doing nothing means Obamacare continues and we all know who owns Obamacare. Not the Republicans. The Democrats rushed passage of the ACA and have been unable to improve a flawed program. The Dems are responsible for the results of the ACA just like they are responsible for their poor showing in Congressional races.

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Originally Posted by nailer

No they wouldn't. Doing nothing means Obamacare continues and we all know who owns Obamacare. Not the Republicans. The Democrats rushed passage of the ACA and have been unable to improve a flawed program. The Dems are responsible for the results of the ACA just like they are responsible for their poor showing in Congressional races.

Trump and the GOP ran on a platform of repeal and replace with a program that is better and cheaper. If they walk away from this pledge, they'll be held responsible.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The GOP would own that too.

I know you'd wish that. I also realize that you'd want to celebrate the loss of access to coverage (i.e., many markets now with only a single carrier available via the exchange) and incumbent higher prices that individuals are paying for their coverage under the ACA, and the pain that causes folks, because it syncs with your politics. Sad that you and your Dem pals need folks to get hurt because you think that's the best way to win.

The other sad fact - also in response to Bob's wrong-headed post about the "gummbit" getting involved in health care - is that the gov't has been involving themselves incrementally at the state and federal levels in healthcare for 50 years. In that time, cost of coverage and care has sky-rocketed. The ACA was the capstone of 50 years in government intervention in the healthcare market. It also made health care a federal political issue, and made solutions to the current scenario much harder to come by, since any solution won't be the best solution, unless the best solution also happens to be the most politically expedient solution.

The sorry fact remains that the Dems own this because of the failure of the ACA, and it has fallen to the new congress and Prez to try and fix it.

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Originally Posted by whell

...The sorry fact remains that the Dems own this because of the failure of the ACA, and it has fallen to the new congress and Prez to try and fix it.

That is exactly my point. If they don't succeed in doing so, they own the remaining problems. After all, it has been the major campaign issue for the GOP for the past 7 years. It'll show that they've become a party only capable of squawking and obstructionism, not governing.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...91c1mj1jxajor&

Here is what Ryan is really up to: big tax cuts for the wealthy.
Quoted from the article in the link above:

So in the end, it’s not that Paul Ryan doesn’t understand health insurance. And it’s not that he doesn’t understand math well enough to know that the numbers don’t add up to a sufficient “replacement” for Obamacare. That’s because what Ryan is “repealing” and “replacing” isn’t a health care bill ― he’s swapping out the moral universe that gave birth to the Affordable Care Act with the one that he prefers. One in which the state rewards affluence and punishes those who fail to achieve it. One in which the very notion of redistributing money from the well-off to the poor for the purpose of health care provision is a mortal sin. Properly reconfiguring the universe along these moral guidelines is, to Ryan’s mind, an “act of mercy.”

Really, there is only one demand that I would make of Paul Ryan ― one that would also be an “act of mercy,” because it would preclude the need for me to write about him ever again. He could, at long last, simply start being honest about all of this.

[donquixote99]

Might makes right.
Might = power.
Money = power.
Money makes right.

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Trump supporters will lose the most with this plan. Will this finally wake them up to the fraud they've voted into Office? Hope so, but unlikely.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/u...peal-bill.html

[donquixote99]

That NY Times story lays the data out very clearly. GOP plan is going to cost most people, big time! And the masses of Trump supporters will tend to be hit hardest.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

That NY Times story lays the data out very clearly. GOP plan is going to cost most people, big time! And the masses of Trump supporters will tend to be hit hardest.

Then it's fake news, lol.