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Originally Posted by finnbow

To the extent that the MSM got any of these stories wrong (they mostly didn't), they come clean and retract or correct the record and even write exposes about how they fucked up (IOW, they actually want to get things right). Wingnut News, however, has no intent/interest in getting things right (as opposed to being simply a propaganda outlet for the Right) and doubles down when caught making up fictitious stories and then conjures up more lies and/or changes the subject in a CYA attempt.

Not so much. For example, the MSM is still reporting that the 2020 riots were "mostly peaceful." When the news business is more interested in advancing a narrative than reporting facts, that's what you get.

Originally Posted by finnbow

Consider for a moment that the #1 show on Fox News, the primary news source for conservatives, admits in open court that Tucker Carlson is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' Then in a deposition Sidney Powell, a frequent Fox News guest invited on the network to spew her lies about the 2020 election, stated "no reasonable person would conclude that my statements were truly statements of fact." Conversely, Fox News fired its political editor, Chris Stirewalt, for having the nerve to tell the truth about Arizona election results instead of maintaining the fiction that its viewers wanted to hear (that Trump won).

Yeah, Tucker Calson is one of the many "bogeymen" on the left. Yes, the Tucker Carlson show is not a straight news show, and never has been. The Show - just like the Rachel Maddow show or The Situation Room - are shows that mix discussion of current events with commentary and debate. There's nothing new, novel or odd about the format that Carlson uses his show versus just about any other news commentary or "infotainment" type of show.

I didn't see Powell's comments on Fox but if she made those comments on one of the infotainment shows, then her quoted comments are likely correct in that context.

Regarding Stirewalt, yes, that's what Stirewalt has said about his termination. There are some problems with that explanation, however. One, Stirewalt didn't make that early call about Arizona all by himself. In fact, according to Jared Kushner, permission to make that early call for Arizona went all the way up to Rupert Murdoch. Two, other team members that monitored and reported polling results have not been terminated. Third, Stirewalt did make some unflattering public comments about Fox before his termination. Most employers take a pretty dim view of that kind of conduct.

So, whether he was actually fired for calling Arizona early, who really knows? Fox isn't saying - other than to call his termination part of a "restructuring". It's interesting that there are certain rules for carrying out a bona fide corporate restructure, particularly when the impacted individual(s) are 40 or more years of age. Stierwalt was certainly over 40 at the time of the "restructuring". Don't know if those rules were followed or not, but if not Stirewalt may have some legal recourse against Fox. I've not seen any reporting that suggests he's legally challenging his termination.

[Chicks]

Alex Jones concedes Sandy Hook massacre was "100% real" as he testifies at defamation trial

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alex-jo...-percent-real/

Oops. Sorry, Whell, yet another of your cherished beliefs goes down in flames. Sucks to be you.

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Hope they can handle it.....

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Perry Mason moment at the trial....


https://nationalzero.com/2022/08/03/...to-plaintiffs/

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Originally Posted by whell

Not so much. For example, the MSM is still reporting that the 2020 riots were "mostly peaceful." When the news business is more interested in advancing a narrative than reporting facts, that's what you get.

Sorry to bust your (news) bubble, but the myth that the BLM protests were exceedingly violent simply isn't true. It was concocted by conservative media to discredit the message of police brutality directed against Blacks (and later to draw an equivalency to Jan. 6). Indeed, a study of the 2020 BLM demonstrations revealed that "based on the 7,305 events we’ve collected, the overall levels of violence and property destruction were low, and most of the violence that did take place was, in fact, directed against the BLM protesters."

The worst violence in the 2 cities I'm most familiar with regard to BLM protests (Minneapolis (where it all started and where my daughter and her family live) and DC (my hometown)) was attributable to the Right. The rioting and looting in Minneapolis was triggered by a White Supremacist torching an auto parts store and the worst violence in DC resulted from Trump administration clearing Lafayette Square just prior to his Bible-in-hand photo op in front of St. John's Church.

The myth of the excessively violent BLM protests was itself a contrivance of Right Wing media and failed to account for the fact that the preponderance of the violence that did occur was directed at BLM protestors by police and Right Wing provocateurs, not caused by them. Hell, the Right Wing celebrates the perpetrator of the most violent event of the entire summer (Kyle Rittenhouse).

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Originally Posted by Chicks

Jan. 6 text messages wiped from phones of key Trump Pentagon officials

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/polit...xts/index.html

Hey, Whell!

Is this or is this not VERY IMPORTANT reporting!? Why do you think the phones of these traitorous bastards were wiped clean? Do you think they might have something to hide about that day, when your "heroes" were engaged in an attempt to overthrow the government? Do we not have a right to know? Isn't there a law, Mr. "law and order", requiring these records to be archived?

Just asking questions...

Further to my earlier response, this from WaPo, and printed in the Detroit News:

Court records published on the website of the watchdog group American Oversight indicate that the Pentagon "wiped" the government-issued phones of senior Defense Department and Army officials who were in charge of mobilizing the National Guard to respond to the Capitol attack, including then-acting defense secretary Christopher C. Miller and then-Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy. The erasing apparently was done in keeping with Defense Department and Army policy for departing employees, according to filings that state: "the text messages were not preserved."

So, the Pentagon didn't treat the phones of these departing Trump admin folks any different than any other departing DoD official. Your willingness to rush to judgment and presume bad behavior not withstanding, of course....

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Originally Posted by finnbow

Sorry to bust your (news) bubble, but the myth that the BLM protests were exceedingly violent simply isn't true.

You burst nothing. $2B in property damage and dozens killed or injured in no way comports with the statement that the protests were non-violent. No way, no how. You can spin it all you want, but spin doesn't negate the $$$ in property damage, loss of life, or injuries.

As far as Rittenhouse, he was tried for murder, and the jury came back with a not-guilty verdict because he was acting in self-defense (in case you missed it, which is suggested by the comments in your post). The only folks who were surprised by that verdict might be you and your fellow travelers who were likely rooting for a guilty verdict, evidence be damned.

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A pro-Trump social media influencer who posted about his role in the Jan. 6 siege was arrested this week on Capitol riot charges

https://www.businessinsider.com/pro-...charged-2022-8

At least 880 people have been charged in connection with the Capitol riot and more than 300 people have pleaded guilty thus far.

880 of your idiot pals arrested so far, Whell! Reality bites, eh? How many years do you think your treasonous Dear Leader will serve behind bars?

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Originally Posted by finnbow

Sorry to bust your (news) bubble, but the myth that the BLM protests were exceedingly violent simply isn't true. It was concocted by conservative media to discredit the message of police brutality directed against Blacks (and later to draw an equivalency to Jan. 6). Indeed, a study of the 2020 BLM demonstrations revealed that "based on the 7,305 events we’ve collected, the overall levels of violence and property destruction were low, and most of the violence that did take place was, in fact, directed against the BLM protesters."

The worst violence in the 2 cities I'm most familiar with regard to BLM protests (Minneapolis (where it all started and where my daughter and her family live) and DC (my hometown)) was attributable to the Right. The rioting and looting in Minneapolis was triggered by a White Supremacist torching an auto parts store and the worst violence in DC resulted from Trump administration clearing Lafayette Square just prior to his Bible-in-hand photo op in front of St. John's Church.

The myth of the excessively violent BLM protests was itself a contrivance of Right Wing media and failed to account for the fact that the preponderance of the violence that did occur was directed at BLM protestors by police and Right Wing provocateurs, not caused by them. Hell, the Right Wing celebrates the perpetrator of the most violent event of the entire summer (Kyle Rittenhouse).

And that's not even counting the BLM protests against police brutality around the world. It seems like more than those with the permanent tan were aware of unfair treatment Blacks are getting in this country. Where do you get your statements from whell? 2B in damages, dozens killed. I guess you'll quote some Reich-Wing media source. finnbow was stating facts. On the other hand...

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Originally Posted by whell

You burst nothing. $2B in property damage and dozens killed or injured in no way comports with the statement that the protests were non-violent. No way, no how. You can spin it all you want, but spin doesn't negate the $$$ in property damage, loss of life, or injuries.

As far as Rittenhouse, he was tried for murder, and the jury came back with a not-guilty verdict because he was acting in self-defense (in case you missed it, which is suggested by the comments in your post). The only folks who were surprised by that verdict might be you and your fellow travelers who were likely rooting for a guilty verdict, evidence be damned.

I didn't spin anything, nor did I say that the protests were "non-violent." I cited a study that said they were "mostly peaceful." To wit, a report from the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project estimated that between May 26 and August 22, 93% of individual protests were "peaceful and nondestructive" and research from the Nonviolent Action Lab and Crowd Counting Consortium estimated that by the end of June, 96.3% of 7,305 demonstrations involved no injuries and no property damage. And the fact remains that most of the violence was directed at BLM protestors by police, right wing provocateurs and Trump himself, not perpetrated by them.

What's perverse about your logic is that Trump, his militant supporters and the police themselves were responsible for the preponderance of the violence in the ~5% of BLM protests that had any violence or property damage whatsoever. Then they, along with their loyal propaganda outlets, blame BLM for the violence that they largely perpetrated to discredit the movement's objectives. It's a cynical lie.

As for Rittenhouse, a teenager taking an AR-15 across state lines, shooting three and killing two is violence whether or not he was subsequently convicted. Similarly, Nicole Simpson died a violent death whether or not OJ was convicted. The lack of conviction has no bearing upon whether the largest single act of BLM violence was perpetrated by a wingnut vigilante teenager who had no business being there with a weapon after curfew. Then Trump and the Right celebrate the kid and host him at Mar-a-Lago. If you can't recognize how perverse this is, I can't help you.