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Old 06-12-2014, 09:52 AM
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I wish I could say I'm surprised or cared.
I am somewhat concerned when so much equipment falls in the hands of
Al Qaeda and its affiliates.
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Old 06-12-2014, 09:54 AM
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I am somewhat concerned when so much equipment falls in the hands of
Al Qaeda and its affiliates.
And the fact that we left it there?

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Old 06-12-2014, 10:00 AM
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Oh that is a non-issue...old American equipment. The real issue is that Iraq may be Balkanizing into pieces like Syria. Maybe the Arab Spring is going to turn the Middle East into a vast group of War Lord ran territories a'la Afghanistan. What a mess.

If Maliki cannot withstand Isis it is an indication of the illegitmacy of his regime...just as the South Vietnamese government could not fight back the North after we left.
Artificial governments fall. My premise may be proven wrong if the million Shiites in Baghdad stand up to ISIS. Taking the capital is an entirely different operation.
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Old 06-12-2014, 10:03 AM
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The neocons so obviously failed to think thru real costs, consequences, and responsibilities on the way to securing the oil and a Middle Eastern base of operations for our military without the consent of the present occupants. Replacing a tyrant with anarchy while doing it all on the cheap with very bad advice and here it is.

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Old 06-12-2014, 10:11 AM
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Oh that is a non-issue...old American equipment.
Any empowerment of Al Qaeda has consequence for us because Al Qaeda
never view itself as just local - but has an ever anti US commitment.
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Old 06-12-2014, 10:16 AM
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The neocons so obviously failed to think thru real costs, consequences, and responsibilities on the way to securing the oil and a Middle Eastern base of operations for our military without the consent of the present occupants. Replacing a tyrant with anarchy while doing it all on the cheap with very bad advise and here it is.

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Well, as usual, they were caught up in the he-man fun of playing Rambo in the desert. Who can be bothered with such fine points when there are mountain goats to be bombed and cities full of people to be attacked in the name of stopping people who attack cities full of people?

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Old 06-12-2014, 10:44 AM
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Remember when we were told that Iraqi oil will pay for their reconstruction? Well oil prices just went up today due to the civil war in Iraq. So we get it coming and going.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:32 PM
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...and no cavalry is coming from just over the hill....

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/wo...-say.html?_r=0
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:34 PM
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...and no cavalry is coming from just over the hill....

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/wo...-say.html?_r=0
Good. Let Iran support Al Maliki. He's their boy.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:58 PM
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The neocons so obviously failed to think thru real costs, consequences, and responsibilities on the way to securing the oil and a Middle Eastern base of operations for our military without the consent of the present occupants. Replacing a tyrant with anarchy while doing it all on the cheap with very bad advice and here it is.

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You guys do like to engage in revisionist history. Remember that Iraq was going to be on the "great achievements" of Obama's administration. Joe Biden said so, so it must be true.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...dministration/

And then Gibbs doubled - down on it:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...ert-gibbs.html
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