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01-01-2017, 08:43 AM
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As I said, nobody has said that Russia messed with the voting tallies. That said, the only person who railed continuously about a rigged election was yer boy, der Trumpenfuhrer.
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Spare me. Hillary believed that Obama rigged the 2008 primaries because " Obama forces flooded the caucuses with ineligible voters". I think Dems worry about election rigging more than anyone else because they've got an excellent track record of doing it...to each other and everyone else. Hillary must have learned a lot from Obama in 2008, because she and Debbie set about screwing Bernie from the start.
Your hero Krugman was whining about it too.
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/e...nton-1.2859588
Most of your Democrat buddies think the election was rigged:
https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/1...gged-election/
Oh, sorry. Forgot that you're not a Democrat.
And, lest you forget:
How many Dems still blather on about the 2001 election being "stolen". Al Gore conceded, then withdrew his concession. He then tried to have the vote recounted only in Democrat-heavy Florida counties, and sued to stop other ballots from being recounted. Even after a number of of media outlets concluded that George W. Bush had indeed won more votes in Florida, Democrats continued to claim the election had been “stolen” by the Supreme Court and Bush was an illegitimate president.
Then you have John Kerry who still thinks that the Bush rigged the voting machines in 2004.
So, Dems have a rich tradition of whining about election outcomes. But again, I think its because they do it to themselves so often that they just regard it was part of the landscape. The left was talking among themselves and openly concerned about it months before the election. In the words of the folks at HuffPo:
Whether Sanders can overcome the sandbagging of his campaign by his own party’s committee chair remains to be seen. But should Clinton eventually take the nomination, for many Democrats, her victory will be seen as tainted by that political corruption.
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The danger facing Hillary Clinton, though, is that in this election, the greater evil may be perceived to be the continuation of the corrupt political system. Not only will a significant portion of Democratic and progressive voters feel the game is rigged and stay home on Election Day, but those independents and moderates who already see Clinton as untrustworthy and calculating will have their prejudices confirmed.
So, in short Finn, you're projecting....
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01-01-2017, 08:53 AM
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Good Krugman article, whell, nice of you to link to it. Anyone who reads it will find it sums up a number of factors, any one of which can be taken as decisive when the election is a close as it was.
You are desperate to smear this issue as 'false' because you know Trump is vulnerable here. You think you can just name-call it and make it go away, but unfortunately, what Krugman says is actually true. Trump's 'legitimacy' hangs by a slim thread.
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01-01-2017, 09:16 AM
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Uh, no. The actual number is 17. And while there is agreement that the hacking appears to have been perpetrated by actors in Russia, not all of them agree on the intent of or reason behind the hacks.
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Ah, so the issue isn't that the ruskies hacked our elections, you really don't care if the Russians interfere in our elections process. You're just unclear of the motives. You think the motives were justifiable and honest then.
And when china hacks the pentagon, you'll assume it's to help us...right?
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01-01-2017, 09:25 AM
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What a bunch of jibberish. It was yer boy, der Trumpenfuhrer, who, on numerous occasions, repeated the fake news article by InfoWars alleging that 3 million votes were cast by illegal aliens and that 14% of noncitizens were registered to vote.
You can try to spin this 180 degrees as much as you want and allege that it was Democrats making these spurious claims about election fraud. It wasn't. It was Trump and the far-right fake news sites that supported him and you're looking like a complete fool with all of your silly projection.
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01-01-2017, 10:26 AM
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Geeze! Is Krugman really that partisan?--Krugman referring to the leaked DNC Emails states: "Nothing truly scandalous emerged..."
And gives lame cover: "politicians engage in politics..."
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01-01-2017, 11:25 AM
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Geeze! Is Krugman really that partisan?--Krugman referring to the leaked DNC Emails states: "Nothing truly scandalous emerged..."
And gives lame cover: "politicians engage in politics..."
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So what that was truly scandalous emerged?
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01-01-2017, 11:29 AM
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Hillarious. Just keep repeating that one, Finn. Maybe Trump was talking about it because Obama actually did it, at least Hillary's folks thought so.
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Originally Posted by finnbow
You can try to spin this 180 degrees as much as you want and allege that it was Democrats making these spurious claims about election fraud. It wasn't. It was Trump and the far-right fake news sites that supported him and you're looking like a complete fool with all of your silly projection.
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You brought up the claim that it was only Trump who talked about rigged elections. I simply pointed out that you were wrong and provided examples, but you want to call that "spin"? LOL
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01-01-2017, 11:31 AM
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Truly weak sauce Mike. Why don't you quit while you're behind?
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01-01-2017, 11:32 AM
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So what that was truly scandalous emerged?
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Enough to the DNC chairperson bounced, for starters...
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01-01-2017, 11:34 AM
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Truly weak sauce Mike. Why don't you quit while you're behind?
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Truly lame response, Bob.
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