Republicans don't even care if you know their lying

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

SO WHAT??? He used "strong language"? Big f-ing deal.

His strong language is just an outward sign of what his intent is and why people are upset about it. Beyond his language insulting dozens of friendly countries in important parts of the world (and from which many fellow Americans immigrated), the bigger issue is a president with a rich history of racist rhetoric and behavior pressuring Congress to use race as the determining factor in a "merit-based" immigration program. It's racist, immoral, unconstitutional and anathema to the American ideal.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It's racist, immoral, unconstitutional and anathema to the American ideal.

What "American ideal" would that be? The idea of a workforce where labor rates are artificially tamped down by artificially increasing supply? The ideal that there's no rule of law - including immigration law - and laws are meant to be twisted or ignored for political expediency? The idea that we should break the social safety net for citizens, and drive up costs, at the expense of illegal immigrants?

There are social and economic costs to this, as this Californian - who calls himself a liberal - points out:

•Competition for affordable housing: 1.5 million Californians pay more than half their income for housing, a result of overcrowding.

•More than 20 million tons of greenhouse gases are added each year by undocumented residents. California’s annual per-capita carbon dioxide production is 10 metric tons/per person.

•Competition for low-wage jobs is increased. Middle-income employers can pay lower wages.

•Allowing illegal immigrants to live and drive contributes to wasted time in traffic and greenhouse gas production.

•English language learners in the classroom lower academic performance by diverting limited educational resources. California has almost 1.4 million English language learners, and has the highest student/teacher ratio of all the large states. California scores lower than average for the nation in reading, mathematics and science.

Sure, you can also say that there's an economic benefit to these individuals who contribute as workers. But it doesn't wash. Data shows that revenues don't offset costs - not by a long shot - when factoring in uncompensated medical care, cost of education, and cost of incarceration. What American ideal or moral imperative is supported by the idea that citizens must run up debt to accommodate individuals who are in the country illegally?

I know you desperately want to talk about perceived, or alleged "racism" rather than this, but at the end of the day your allegation, and that of your advocates in the political class, that immigration reform is "racist" is far more harmful.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

What "American ideal" would that be? The idea of a workforce where labor rates are artificially tamped down by artificially increasing supply? The ideal that there's no rule of law - including immigration law - and laws are meant to be twisted or ignored for political expediency? The idea that we should break the social safety net for citizens, and drive up costs, at the expense of illegal immigrants?

That all men are created equal (regardless of skin color). In the words of MLK that men are judged not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character. Even you Trump sycophants should know that.

BTW, the shithole meeting was not about illegal immigration. It was rules/conditions for legal immigration.