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[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You're either slow on the uptake or deliberately mischaracterizing the first article. The first article involved the Trump administration acquiescing to Russian occupation of Crimea, not compelling Russia to give it back to Ukraine (Obama's policy).

As for the second article, all administrations have had a backchannel to Iran (via the Swiss government and their embassy in Iran) because we have no diplomatic mission (front channel) there. We do, however, have diplomatic relations and formal "front channel" communications with Russia. Moreover, when Flynn and Kushner were working on creating this back channel, they were not representing the American government (i.e., the American government was led by Obama at the time).

I often wonder if you even understand what you're typing or you're just repeating right-wing obfuscation of such issues.

Pretty hard to "obfuscate" when you pull a quote directly from the article, albeit one buried pretty deep in the article.

As to your second point, Obama contacted Iran before taking office, while the government was lead by Bush at the time). And he had plenty of meetings with other country's officials during the transition. So what's your point?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Pretty hard to "obfuscate" when you pull a quote directly from the article, albeit one buried pretty deep in the article.

As to your second point, Obama contacted Iran before taking office, while the government was lead by Bush at the time). And he had plenty of meetings with other country's officials during the transition. So what's your point?

Last time I checked, Obama didn't attempt to establish a backchannel with a geopolitical foe who tried to manipulate our election while using their secure communications channels to do so. All you have is false equivalencies when it comes to defending your Dear Leader.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Last time I checked, Obama didn't attempt to establish a backchannel with a geopolitical foe who tried to manipulate our election while using their secure communications channels to do so.

Check again.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/....obama.letter/

While Iran may not have tried to "manipulate" any elections, they do have a rich history as sponsors or terrorism, hostage - taking, IED manufacturing, etc.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Check again.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/....obama.letter/

While Iran may not have tried to "manipulate" any elections, they do have a rich history as sponsors or terrorism, hostage - taking, IED manufacturing, etc.

You truly are a dimwit. President Obama was the President at the time, unlike Kushner and Flynn who were trying to undermine ongoing foreign policy efforts by President Obama (i.e., Russian sanctions) in the middle of an ongoing investigation of Russian interference in our election in which Flynn himself was tied up in. Yet another ridiculous false equivalency from you. I've come to expect no less in your efforts to defend your incompetent and amoral Dear Leader.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You truly are a dimwit.

And you're truly a bung hole. Regardless, I did post the incorrect link. Here's the correct one.

https://pjmedia.com/michaelledeen/20...e-no-strategy/

During his first presidential campaign in 2008, Mr. Obama used a secret back channel to Tehran to assure the mullahs that he was a friend of the Islamic Republic, and that they would be very happy with his policies. The secret channel was Ambassador William G. Miller, who served in Iran during the shah's rule, as chief of staff for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and as ambassador to Ukraine. Ambassador Miller has confirmed to me his conversations with Iranian leaders during the 2008 campaign.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by whell

And you're truly a bung hole. Regardless, I did post the incorrect link...

I think it was a set-up.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

And you're truly a bung hole. Regardless, I did post the incorrect link. Here's the correct one.

https://pjmedia.com/michaelledeen/20...e-no-strategy/

During his first presidential campaign in 2008, Mr. Obama used a secret back channel to Tehran to assure the mullahs that he was a friend of the Islamic Republic, and that they would be very happy with his policies. The secret channel was Ambassador William G. Miller, who served in Iran during the shah's rule, as chief of staff for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and as ambassador to Ukraine. Ambassador Miller has confirmed to me his conversations with Iranian leaders during the 2008 campaign.

Your false equivalency is ridiculous because Russia was actively trying to influence the American election while recruiting witting or unwitting participants in this effort (e.g., Flynn, Kushner, Page). Furthermore, there are indications that the Trump and Kushner organizations sought and/or received money from Russian banks aligned with Putin and the Kremlin to bail out failing real estate deals.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Your false equivalency is ridiculous because Russia was actively trying to influence the American election while recruiting witting or unwitting participants in this effort (e.g., Flynn, Kushner, Page). Furthermore, there are indications that the Trump and Kushner organizations sought and/or received money from Russian banks aligned with Putin and the Kremlin to bail out failing real estate deals.

Your dancing on the head of a pin is hilarious, and your imaginary evidence...er....um...indications....are even funnier.