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Old 05-19-2009, 06:44 AM
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How would you fix the economy ?

This is a subject that is very close to all of us. How or what would you do to "fix" the economy ?

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Old 05-19-2009, 05:38 PM
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Fix the economy

Gotta hand it to you Grumpy, you ask the easy questions.

Not so sure that it can be fixed. Kind of like an old car, you can patch it up, put it back on the road, and get a few more miles out of it. But sooner or later it's gonna die.

Eventually, we will have to change the order of things. I was hoping that wouldn't happen on my watch, but I'm beginning to think that I may be SOL.

The problem is we live in a world full of people. Technology may have changed, but people haven't. We're no different now than we were when we first crawled out of a cave and beat supper to death with a rock. We just dress better, and talk a better game.

Kinda sad, but when push comes to shove, the veneer of civility disappears pretty fast,
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:23 PM
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Kinda sad, but when push comes to shove, the veneer of civility disappears pretty fast,
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Put your finger right on that one, Charles.

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Fix the economy?

Try some "trickle up", that "trickle down" hasn't worked for shit.

Leave the Government out of it and barter.

Cut the tax bill big time in one easy stroke - pay politicians minimum wage, put the Congress and Senate in dormitory housing, serve the School Lunch Program in the Senate Dining room, and make voting attendance mandatory. Have them all share staff, too. No more limos, we'll put the dorms close by so you can walk to work. Maybe then some people who care about our country instead of lining their pockets will run for office.

Take back all the bail-out money. YOU FAILED, why should my tax dollars provide you a free roll?

Try caring about your employees (or constituents) well-being as much as the bottom line. There's more than one way to be rich.
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Old 05-20-2009, 06:41 AM
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Here's one idea that I've recently been enlightened from. Austrian economics.
NO bailouts to anyone. Let the businesses fall and get it over with.

I always thought it was a bad thing, bankruptcy, but it turns out to really be a blessing for many when it happens. The business looses it's problems with paying bonuses (like AIG), the folks that help run companies into the ground are sent packing, what's left of the ashes will be picked up for a great price on the dollar by other companies looking to grow.

Now I understand that not all people hurt by a business closing did something wrong but the way I see it is like a healing process. You get the bad over with as quickly as you can so the healing can take place. I look at all of the car folks as well as all of the outsourcing people. They've all been treading water that cannot be beat.

Would it have worked out for the better if GM had gone bankrupt, reorganized, sold off some of it's plants to maybe an upstart electric car manufacturer and started anew? GM gets out of union contracts and health care that's hurting their competitiveness, another outfit buys a tooled factory for pennies on the dollar to grow.

Sure some of the GM folks would be without jobs at the end of the day but they're going to anyway sooner or later.

I use GM only as an example. It could be any company.

I just don't see how the Government meddling in businesses helps anyone. The next step is the new owner of GM/Chrysler telling them that by 2014 they will be making cars that average 35 1/2 MPG. Good luck with that.

Todd, I like your ideas as well.

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Old 05-20-2009, 07:04 AM
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NO bailouts to anyone. Let the businesses fall and get it over with.
Exactly!

Some of the money pundits will say that all these bail-out moves are to protect the infrastructure of the economy... I say if the current infrastructure landed us here, why bother?
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Old 05-20-2009, 05:45 PM
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In my opinion... Drop the big one!!...it will upset the global communications network...and travel will be reduced...then you will have more LOCAL exchanges going on...and not all the BS from some dumb-ass 1500 miles away telling us what to do all the time...we will have to make our own decicisions again ...like it used to be back before long distance communications,...

or not....



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Old 05-21-2009, 09:29 PM
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The answer

Cut the tax bill big time in one easy stroke - pay politicians minimum wage, put the Congress and Senate in dormitory housing, serve the School Lunch Program in the Senate Dining room, and make voting attendance mandatory. Have them all share staff, too. No more limos, we'll put the dorms close by so you can walk to work. Maybe then some people who care about our country instead of lining their pockets will run for office.


I like it. While we're at it, let's hire Arlee Ermy to kick their asses out of bed at 4:00 hours sharp, and have them standing tall at their posts by 4:30. Keep 'em sober too.

I've said for a long time, if you want to fix the minimum wage, socialist security, and health care, put the politicians on the same level as the lowest slob in the country. But they'd just mandate that everyone gets free medical at Walter Reed, 200K per year retirement, and, it you were still willing to work, a 200K salary per year plus all you can steal with both hands.

Don't reckon it will work.



Here's one idea that I've recently been enlightened from. Austrian economics.


Ludwig Von Misses?

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Old 05-22-2009, 04:48 AM
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Here's one idea that I've recently been enlightened from. Austrian economics.


Ludwig Von Misses?

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Lots of good reading on mises.org
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Old 06-15-2009, 09:39 PM
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Term limits for all politicians, make all politicians have to use the same retirement plans and health care plans they foist on the rest of us, cut taxes, massive cuts in government programs, no government funding for arts or federal department of education, unfetter innovation in the private sector, and put food production back in the hands of smaller farmers and growers.

It might not work, but I would like to give all these things a try.
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Old 06-15-2009, 11:36 PM
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the problem with the economy is that the gap between rich and poor has to grown to such a point that the poor can no longer afford to buy all the crap the rich are trying to sell to them.

the costs of healthcare have driven our manufacturing base into the toilet. eliminate the insurance companies. they're all crooks. socialize medicine there, i said that ugly word). healthcare should not be for profit.

increase spending on education. a better educated workforce is more productive, and better qualified for the work.

decrease spending on wars. war is hell, and it is expensive.

legalize and tax drugs. i've read that 80 billion a year leaves our country and goes to support terrorism. this doesn't count the money that's being spent on drug enforcement.

change the laws that make it more profitable for industries to produce goods in china and other places instead of here in the US. that's a big reason why unemployment is so high. i can remember when "made in USA" meant something.

fine the hell out of businesses that are paying illegal immigrants. if there is no work here for them, they'll go home, americans will get those jobs.

break up all the big corporations. no company should be allowed to get so big that its failure will do significant damage to the nation's economy. for goodness' sake, that's what the sherman anti-trust act is for. use it.

too many people in this country are making money from investments. that's money for nothing folks! that money has to come from somewhere, it is coming from the poor people who have to pay more in order to cover the shareholders and it's coming from the workers who are having their benefits cut, being forced into early retirement, etc.

if you want to make money, work for it and save.
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