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Old 11-09-2017, 07:25 AM
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http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article...rning-20171109

(Judge) Ludington last week said the township's interpretation of noise standards was reasonable, even if others might have a different opinion.

Tuscola Wind III is controlled by wind giant NextEra Energy Resources. After new trustees were elected in 2016, Almer Township rejected a permit that would have cleared the way for 19 turbines. It's part of a larger wind project with 55 turbines in three townships.


The residents of that area pushed back hard against a planned wind turbine farm in their community. Hard to blame them. The damn things are an eyesore, not to mention loud.
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Old 11-09-2017, 10:07 AM
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The USA refuses to build good nuke plants because they cost too much. The USA refuses to build good wind farms because they cost too much. Not really, just penny wise pound foolish. Denmark has been using them for years and Brits realizing they are doing it better and right as are many other countries. Google is your friend...

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Offshore wind farms have powerful advantage over land-based turbines, study finds

By Eli KintischOct. 9, 2017 , 3:00 PM

Floating wind turbines at sea could create up to three times as much electricity as turbines on land, increasing the energy potential for a technology that has yet to be proven at scale, a new study suggests.

The new study comes at a time of reckoning for terrestrial wind power. Before the current wind power boom, researchers estimated that wind turbines on land could provide as much as 7 watts of power per square meter. But recent modeling shows that land turbines probably will provide only 1 watt per square meter when installed at scale. The problem is that turbines deplete the strength of winds downstream from them, creating a phenomenon called “wind shadow” that has proven a bigger issue than predicted.

Scientists at the Carnegie Institution for Science in Palo Alto, California, wanted to know whether turbines installed in the open ocean—where air currents are 70% stronger than on land—would also face wind shadow problems. So they conducted virtual experiments using a climate model, and in today’s issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences atmospheric scientist Anna Possner and climatologist Ken Caldeira report that turbines placed in the North Atlantic could produce three times as much power as an existing wind farm in Kansas of similar size
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Old 11-09-2017, 10:23 AM
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There are wind farms in my area and I don't think they are all that bad. Actually, I find the sound they make to be very meditative.

As far as producing energy, it seems they impact the environment far less than other ways to produce energy.
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Old 11-09-2017, 10:31 AM
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The USA refuses to build good nuke plants because they cost too much. The USA refuses to build good wind farms because they cost too much. Not really, just penny wise pound foolish. Denmark has been using them for years and Brits realizing they are doing it better and right as are many other countries. Google is your friend...

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Depends on how you define "pound foolish". Denmark and the Brits don't have plentiful supplies of natural gas that the US has.
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Old 11-09-2017, 10:35 AM
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It looks like this could replace the Nuke Plant that will be shut down. Of course, it is in California.
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Old 11-09-2017, 10:43 AM
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Depends on how you define "pound foolish". Denmark and the Brits don't have plentiful supplies of natural gas that the US has.
Yep, Fracking, DDT, Thalidomide, they make for the brightest minds in the world.
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Old 11-09-2017, 11:06 AM
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One of the reddest states, TX, is the biggest producer of wind power in the country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Texas

Even rednecks know a good thing when they see it.

The wind resource in many parts of Texas is very large. Farmers may lease their land to wind developers, creating a new revenue stream for the farm. The wind power industry has also created over 24,000 jobs for local communities and for the state. Texas is seen as a profit-driven leader of renewable energy commercialization in the United States. The wind boom in Texas was assisted by expansion of the state’s Renewable Portfolio Standard, use of designated Competitive Renewable Energy Zones, expedited transmission construction, and the necessary Public Utility Commission rule-making.[4]
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Old 11-09-2017, 11:38 AM
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About extra revenue stream: the Ohio farmer I saw interviewed figured he made more growing corn on the land used for tower bases than he gets in rent. Might be less true in dryer country though. OTOH, rent probably goes down too.

Also, one doesn't grow corn in a given field every year, the analysis should take that into account....
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One of the reddest states, TX, is the biggest producer of wind power in the country.
Why does that not surprise me.
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One of the reddest states, TX, is the biggest producer of wind power in the country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Texas

Even rednecks know a good thing when they see it.

The wind resource in many parts of Texas is very large. Farmers may lease their land to wind developers, creating a new revenue stream for the farm. The wind power industry has also created over 24,000 jobs for local communities and for the state. Texas is seen as a profit-driven leader of renewable energy commercialization in the United States. The wind boom in Texas was assisted by expansion of the state’s Renewable Portfolio Standard, use of designated Competitive Renewable Energy Zones, expedited transmission construction, and the necessary Public Utility Commission rule-making.[4]
Might have more to do with geography than politics. The purple areas represent the highest average wind speeds, therefore the best potential spots for wind turbines. Not a whole lot of "red states" in the purple areas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4c3044d0753b
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