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Old 07-18-2021, 07:17 AM
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Yeltsin moved Putin from being head of FSB (Russian "KGB") to the position of Acting Prime Minister(08/09/1999). Where was the pushback from the US which had many advisers in the Yeltsin system?
Trying to understand here. The U.S. facilitated Vlad's ascendancy to power by not interfering in the domestic affairs of a foreign nation
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Old 07-18-2021, 08:46 AM
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Trying to understand here. The U.S. facilitated Vlad's ascendancy to power by not interfering in the domestic affairs of a foreign nation
That the US made every effort to assure the re-election of Yeltsin is beyond doubt.

It is obvious the argument was made that Putin was sympathetic to western goals, most likely by Boris Beresovsky. Hence at that time no flurry of articles in western news papers playing on Putin's significant connection to the FSB.

It is important to note here, that Rosenberg, the BBC's point writer on Russia made no mention of Beresovsky.
It is laughable to write about Vlad rise to power without including Beresovsky.

Later Vlad raised his real colors. A failure of intelligence or a con of intelligence?

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Old 07-18-2021, 10:08 AM
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That the US made every effort to assure the re-election of Yeltsin is beyond doubt.

It is obvious the argument was made that Putin was sympathetic to western goals, most likely by Boris Beresovsky. Hence at that time no flurry of articles in western news papers playing on Putin's significant connection to the FSB.

It is important to note here, that Rosenberg, the BBC's point writer on Russia made no mention of Beresovsky.
It is laughable to write about Vlad rise to power without including Beresovsky.

Later Vlad raised his real colors. A failure of intelligence or a con of intelligence?
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That one is attributed to Napoleon...
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Newly Unsealed Transcript Reveals Crux Of Mueller’s Collusion Case

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Yet will be just another story that will neatly fit into, just another made up by haters of their master.
This cult will take any lie to the gills, hook line and sinker as truth, that reinforces their brainwashing.

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Two Longtime GOP Operatives Charged With Illegally Contributing to Trump Campaign By Funneling Cash From a Russian National

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Old 09-21-2021, 06:20 AM
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The Russians recognise that the GOP is out to subvert our democracy, and are intent to help any way they can, so why doesn't the Democratic leadership?
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Old 09-21-2021, 09:25 PM
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The Russians recognise that the GOP is out to subvert our democracy, and are intent to help any way they can, so why doesn't the Democratic leadership?
Why?

I guess.
It does not really believe in this democracy...it senses the arrival of an oligarchy.

It has decided to realistically rate Russia.
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Why?

I guess.
It does not really believe in this democracy...it senses the arrival of an oligarchy.

It has decided to realistically rate Russia.
Over the past 20+ years more of the genpop has begun to understand that our democracy's parties have never really been representative of the genpop's interests. The commercial elite's interests are always well represented. Starting with Carter's election every winning Dem President has been conservative. Is what you describe the natural reaction/response/adaptation to their environment?
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