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05-24-2023, 10:50 AM
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Jigsawed
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Trump came through the window that former President Clinton opened.
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05-24-2023, 10:58 AM
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Reformed Know-Nothing
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Quote:
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Trump came through the window that former President Clinton opened.
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Don't forget the contribution of the man you admire so much, Vladimir Putin. That said, your comment doesn't address the content of the article which explains why Trump supporters still support him despite his myriad faults (while Hillary has been out of the picture for over 6 years).
I guess the article could add another item to the four listed in the article - they still like Trump because they, like Trump, admire the kind of authoritarianism put in place by Putin and would like something similar here (this would capture your rationale).
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05-24-2023, 11:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dondilion
Trump came through the window that former President Clinton opened.
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You and Whell have much in common. Both make absurd comments. Difference is, Whell backs his comments with copious amounts of BS. You simply make absurd statements with no rationale whatsoever.
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05-24-2023, 11:35 AM
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Jigsawed
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Whell is the most accomplished poster on this here site. He for the most part sticks to the essence of the issue while employing tremendous patience.
I try for self-explanatory brevity.
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05-24-2023, 12:02 PM
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Reformed Know-Nothing
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Originally Posted by Dondilion
Whell is the most accomplished poster on this here site. He for the most part sticks to the essence of the issue while employing tremendous patience.
I try for self-explanatory brevity.
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What you have in common is Whell's unquestioned loyalty to Trump and your unquestioned loyalty to Trump's patron, Putin. Whell supports his fealty to Trump with stuff plucked from the right-wing angertainment complex whereas you no longer provide any supporting rationale for your comments as it would emphasize your fealty to a murderous war criminal.
In short, what you have in common with Whell is a willingness, even a need, to support and defend your favorite authoritarian. Birds of a feather ...
PS - Your comment about Hillary in response to an article about why Trump supporters still support him despite his manifest character flaws and rampant criminality was hardly self-explanatory. It was indeed brief, however.
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05-24-2023, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by finnbow
What you have in common is Whell's unquestioned loyalty to Trump and your unquestioned loyalty to Trump's patron, Putin. Whell supports his fealty to Trump with stuff plucked from the right-wing angertainment complex whereas you no longer provide any supporting rationale for your comments as it would emphasize your fealty to a murderous war criminal.
In short, what you have in common with Whell is a willingness, even a need, to support and defend your favorite authoritarian. Birds of a feather ...
PS - Your comment about Hillary in response to an article about why Trump supporters still support him despite his manifest character flaws and rampant criminality was hardly self-explanatory. It was indeed brief, however.
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Whell more than holds his own and you are more often than not obtuse in your responses to Dondilion. For me, your self righteous declarations of patriotism and freedom are a bit much considering the corporate military police state in which we Americans dwell.
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05-24-2023, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by nailer
Whell more than holds his own and you are more often than not obtuse in your responses to Dondilion. For me, your self righteous declarations of patriotism and freedom are a bit much considering the corporate military police state in which we Americans dwell.
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My declarations are more about my preference for democracy over autocracy, something MAGAt's don't seem to share. And if it's self-righteous to defend democracy from autocratic threats and enabling lies from MAGAWorld, color me guilty. I'll continue to heap abuse on Trump supporters at every turn.
As for my obtuse responses to Dondilion, he has had many a post over the years demonstrating a strong admiration for Putin and what he has done in Russia, something he has cooled off on a bit on since Putin's bloody Ukrainian debacle. Now his support for Putin is a bit more guarded/coded. But I haven't forgotten.
As for the US being a military police state, I'll take issue with that having been to quite a number of actual military police states over the years including most of the Warsaw Pact and Soviet Union in the 1980's, some of our allied juntas in Central America at that time, Egypt under Mubarak and Kenya under Moi. We are a far cry from that though I'll readily admit that Trump, given his druthers, would indeed turn the US into a fascist police state if he could considering his frequent appeals to political violence and his statement about wanting to terminate the constitution.
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05-24-2023, 05:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nailer
Whell more than holds his own and you are more often than not obtuse in your responses to Dondilion. For me, your self righteous declarations of patriotism and freedom are a bit much considering the corporate military police state in which we Americans dwell.
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Holding ones own is not the same as making a convincing argument. What he does is sparring wearing a borrowed MAGA helmet.
Ask him if he plans to vote for Trump and instead of a Yes or No answer, you will get a treatise on FBI.
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05-24-2023, 08:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rajoo
Holding ones own is not the same as making a convincing argument. What he does is sparring wearing a borrowed MAGA helmet.
Ask him if he plans to vote for Trump and instead of a Yes or No answer, you will get a treatise on FBI.
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He doesn't hold his own anyway. He just has mastered the troll trick of acting as if he does. He's wrong at least 90% of the time, often spectacularly so, the better to attract responses. Showing him up is a shooting-fish-in-a-barrel sort of sport.
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05-24-2023, 12:03 PM
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Jigsawed
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Join Date: May 2009
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Many still support Trump, despite his many negatives, essentially because he was the first major politician to voice (notice voice) consistently the angst they experienced re the hollowing out of the American industrial center.
White folks especially those who thought they were special cannot still believe what corporate America did.
Off-shoring was/is a trauma.
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