When life support is death support

[barbara]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/28/health...upport-ethics/


Hard for families in these types of circumstances. Sometimes the laws don't make it any easier.

[Charles]

I'm all in favor of legalizing assisted suicide. When it comes to death, society treats a dog better than they treat humans.

Chas

[Ike Bana]

The problem for me in these situations occurs when they pull the feeding tube and the person just wastes away. Even if there's no activity in the "conscious" areas of the brain it's outrageous for someone to have to die like this...and certainly an unnecessary ordeal for family/friends.

I'm sure there are plenty of physicians or nurses who would be willing to administer the injection. When the decision is made and everybody knows the person is on the way out, there's no reason why an injection isn't a legal alternative.

And it happens in hospice all the time. My mother-in-law had suffered massive brain damage while in the hospital being treated for pneumonia due to the development of a mucus plug that caused an acute cyanosis. She hung on in a coma for almost two weeks on oxygen and morphine and finally the staff agreed to remove the oxygen and step up her morphine. After 12 hours or so her body finally shut down. We have since found that this is not an uncommon practice in hospice.

[one1]

Originally Posted by Charles

I'm all in favor of legalizing assisted suicide. When it comes to death, society treats a dog better than they treat humans.

Chas

Assisted in my opinion is murder it only takes the one person to take their own life.that said sometimes a DNR is not available so issues pop up.I have a DNR and it is amended to My wife And Our Freind.to if no brain activity or organ failure turn off life support.And let die natrualy no assisted means.But in some cases a legal use of injection should be allowed but only if the person says so on DNR

[one1]

Originally Posted by Charles

I'm all in favor of legalizing assisted suicide. When it comes to death, society treats a dog better than they treat humans.

Chas

I think in the case of pets it is more for Convienience and cost than doing the right thing.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by one1

I think in the case of pets it is more for Convienience and cost than doing the right thing.

How the fuck do you know? Were you in the vet's examination room with me when my 6 year old cat was dying of leukemia and we all decided it was time to let him go? He wasn't eating, he wasn't drinking he wasn't doing anything buy lying around waiting to die. And he was having huge seizures three or four times a day.

Convenience...my ass. What TF wrong with you?

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by one1

Assisted in my opinion is murder it only takes the one person to take their own life.

Yes, it is much more humane to let the person die of starvation/dehydration that it is to speed up the process a couple hours/days possibly weeks. You have to remember that in the vast majority of these situations, the "person" is long past the point of having the means to take their own life, and most would have already been gone if not for artificial support of some form.

[one1]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

How the fuck do you know? Were you in the vet's examination room with me when my 6 year old cat was dying of leukemia and we all decided it was time to let him go? He wasn't eating, he wasn't drinking he wasn't doing anything buy lying around waiting to die. And he was having huge seizures three or four times a day.

Convenience...my ass. What TF wrong with you?

Ike we also went through that process or Dog Nellie was 14 years old and on her deathbed when we took her in we had set up arrangements with the doctor to get a shot ready to stop here death spiral.but fortunately she died in my wifes arms.that was some real hard shit to take we loved that dog like a daughter a human.daughter.

Sir please You take this too personal(what I mean is there are others that this statement is meant).I posted that in a genorility sense,with a lot of pet owners they just see them as animals with no souls or feelings I apologise you took it personal.some owners would just as soon put them down than go through a simple surgical proceedure. and that is the truth I have worked whith a lady that did just that.

[one1]

Originally Posted by mpholland

Yes, it is much more humane to let the person die of starvation/dehydration that it is to speed up the process a couple hours/days possibly weeks. You have to remember that in the vast majority of these situations, the "person" is long past the point of having the means to take their own life, and most would have already been gone if not for artificial support of some form.

Agreed there are situations the same is said for Abortion And cases of rape,and I agree there are circumstances,I guess it just comes down to the individual and there preperation for death ,I believe the ask that you do a DNR at a early and during most hospital visits now.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by one1

I think in the case of pets it is more for Convienience and cost than doing the right thing.

My ex-wife had to put down our 16.5 year old beagle, Dante, yesterday when she visited her folks who kept him on a lake in MN for his final Summer. It was almost as if he hung on for her to return home for Christmas and was ready to "leave" with her.

Anywho, respectfully, I disagree with your assessment.

I'm not saying it doesn't occur, it just doesn't regarding any pet owner I've ever known.