Gun Control and Politics

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I think you have an exaggerated view of who is how violent. 'Many of the adults being let in were probably shooting automatic weapons and learning a life of hate and violence before they were 8?' Where do you get that? Just your impression from shit you see and read?

My impression is that even in these 'violent places,' most people aren't psycho killers or anything. Like, it's bad, but it's not Mad Max. The real violent ones get killed in turn, or they stay in the shit. They don't present as normal guys with wife and kids in the refugee mix.

And where do you get this: "What I don't get is why we are bringing in, almost exclusively, those who were raised IN the culture of violence, rather than those who have been in a part of the culture that have tried to avoid it." Who says this is who we are 'bringing in?"

I do. And you says they ain't. And neither of us has any more than our hunch/opinion to go on, and that is the problem.

I do know that reports are that very few Christians have come over. I haven't heard any reports that very few Muslims have come. My knowledge of the history of the area is that Christians don't start a lot of trouble, just suffer from it.
I've been around long enough to notice that until about 15 years ago you didn't hear middle-eastern names every damn day on the crime reports either.

"They don't present as normal guys with wife and kids in the refugee mix"
Of course they do. It's part of their thing to blend in and deceive. This is how they hijack the peaceful Muslims, as they all become unwitting camouflage for the terrorist.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Sure, I'd run too. What I don't get is why we are bringing in, almost exclusively, those who were raised IN the culture of violence, rather than those who have been in a part of the culture that have tried to avoid it. The sects and other religions that are being executed are the ones who need protection, and will more readily adapt to a peaceful society. Many of the adults being let in were probably shooting automatic weapons and learning a life of hate and violence before they were 8. Even the bible thumping rednecks aren't screwing their kids up that bad. You don't see the Methodists burning the Baptists, for instance.

You listen to a lot of talk radio don't you?

[icenine]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I think you have an exaggerated view of who is how violent. 'Many of the adults being let in were probably shooting automatic weapons and learning a life of hate and violence before they were 8?' Where do you get that? Just your impression from shit you see and read?

My impression is that even in these 'violent places,' most people aren't psycho killers or anything. Like, it's bad, but it's not Mad Max. The real violent ones get killed in turn, or they stay in the shit. They don't present as normal guys with wife and kids in the refugee mix.
And where do you get this: "What I don't get is why we are bringing in, almost exclusively, those who were raised IN the culture of violence, rather than those who have been in a part of the culture that have tried to avoid it." Who says this is who we are 'bringing in?"

Most of the people leaving are probably the cream of their societies. You have to be wealthy enough to leave in the first place. I imagine most of the refugees are what we would call middle class. I am sure many are professionals.

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by icenine

Most of the people leaving are probably the cream of their societies. You have to be wealthy enough to leave in the first place. I imagine most of the refugees are what we would call middle class. I am sure many are professionals.

Oh, please expound. Only the well off are able to make it here as refugees?
While I have no doubt the political elite get a ticket, as demonstrated with this little fuck in Orlando, I think there's a large percentage who come in under the humanitarian banner, who are truly poor and desperate and trained for eventual jihad as well.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Oh, please expound. Only the well off are able to make it here as refugees?
While I have no doubt the political elite get a ticket, as demonstrated with this little fuck in Orlando, I think there's a large percentage who come in under the humanitarian banner, who are truly poor and desperate and trained for eventual jihad as well.

You think the trip is free?
They have to cross through Turkey and then pay for passage across the sea to Greece if they are going that route.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Oh, please expound. Only the well off are able to make it here as refugees?
While I have no doubt the political elite get a ticket, as demonstrated with this little fuck in Orlando, I think there's a large percentage who come in under the humanitarian banner, who are truly poor and desperate and trained for eventual jihad as well.

Anywhere these people go, whether poor are wealthy they are a ticking time bomb.

As a matter of fact many of their activists come from well-to-do families.

Islamic/Islamist never give up: From generation to generation it is part of their doctrine to subvert, convert by any means necessary. They are the only religious group which is all over the world fucking up public spaces.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Anywhere these people go, whether poor are wealthy they are a ticking time bomb.

As a matter of fact many of their activists come from well-to-do families.

Islamic/Islamist never give up: From generation to generation it is part of their doctrine to subvert, convert by any means necessary. They are the only religious group which is all over the world fucking up public spaces.

Boy you just pass judgment on whole communities. You are so effed up you don't even know your effed up.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Oh, please expound. Only the well off are able to make it here as refugees?
While I have no doubt the political elite get a ticket, as demonstrated with this little fuck in Orlando, I think there's a large percentage who come in under the humanitarian banner, who are truly poor and desperate and trained for eventual jihad as well.

Was the Orlando guy was born here, his parents were let in. As to the comment about wealth the people who traffic in refugees are extremely wealthy because they charge an arm and a leg to drown on one of those flimsy rubber boats.

We probably did not do as good a job in the past in screening refugees but it is better now. Also I believe the total we are letting in is 10,000 or less.

[donquixote99]

Here's the thing.

You either think there's a THEM here, or you don't.

Who is THEM? The current nominee is Islamics. Which Islamics? This gets a little fuzzy--lots of people have different ideas. Can you really narrow it down from the 1.5 billion supergroup? Probably not. At the end of the day, they are all THEM.

What is it about THEM? Well, they aren't us. They are different. They are outsiders. And they are dangerous. They are out to kill us. They are enemies. All 1.5 billion? Probably. Which ones of THEM do you think you can trust?

So what should we do about THEM? Well, you have to watch out for them. You have to keep them out. You can never trust them. You have to fight them. You have to defeat them.

But then what? Won't they always be THEM? Can you make peace with THEM? I don't know. If you were THEM, would you make peace with us?

The only thing to do is keep on killing. And keep on killing. Then do some more killing, And then, finally, as last, after we and they have killed and killed and killed, kill some more.

Nothing else makes any sense, does it?

That is, if you believe they are THEM.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Here's the thing.

You either think there's a THEM here, or you don't.

Who is THEM? The current nominee is Islamics. Which Islamics? This gets a little fuzzy--lots of people have different ideas. Can you really narrow it down from the 1.5 billion supergroup? Probably not. At the end of the day, they are all THEM.

What is it about THEM? Well, they aren't us. They are different. They are outsiders. And they are dangerous. They are out to kill us. They are enemies. All 1.5 billion? Probably. Which ones of THEM do you think you can trust?

So what should we do about THEM? Well, you have to watch out for them. You have to keep them out. You can never trust them. You have to fight them. You have to defeat them.

But then what? Won't they always be THEM? Can you make peace with THEM? I don't know. If you were THEM, would you make peace with us?

The only thing to do is keep on killing. And keep on killing. Then do some more killing, And then, finally, as last, after we and they have killed and killed and killed, kill some more.

Nothing else makes any sense, does it?

That is, if you believe they are THEM.

Well if you recognize that they are going to be problem to your public space,
you adopt a policy of keeping them out of your country. Poland and Hungary are such.

Both countries have watched the disasters which are Brussels and Malmo and
have come to the conclusion that it is folly to voluntarily bring a situation on yourself.