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Old 10-26-2017, 04:47 PM
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Of course it wasn't a whine/complaint. It was a fact. Sorry you can't tell the difference.
People regularly whine and complain about facts.
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Old 10-26-2017, 05:20 PM
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Not sure how it is with guys, but between women, it is not unusual to joke about our "girls" in a friendly sort of way.

On the other hand, with sexual harassment being in the news so much right now, it is probably best to keep that kind of joking private rather than public.
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Old 10-26-2017, 09:51 PM
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Many complaints are filed with the EEOC and state agencies that do not establish a claim of harassment or discrimination. To make out a claim for hostile atmosphere harassment, the sexual conduct and innuendo must be severe and pervasive. One who is claiming harassment has a responsibility to indicate that comments are unwelcome.

The best practice is to not engage in "locker room talk" in the office, or when talking to a TV host. Employers will, however, take disciplinary action for conduct that falls far short of harassment.
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Old 10-26-2017, 10:06 PM
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John Kelley's "Empty Barrel" crack applies here to the OP.
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Old 10-26-2017, 10:20 PM
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Harrassment hinges on wanted vs unwanted.

The entertainment industry is a far different environment that a white shirt and tie workplace. I'm certain if Rush Limbaugh leered at those substantial superstructures and quipped "I need some Cheez Whiz for these crackers," he would get slugged.

Person, location, and personality can either make or break quips. I would love to go out and party with Ellen - she is both funny and fun - while Rush is best experienced through a radio speaker while drinking.
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Old 10-27-2017, 06:33 AM
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" while Rush is best experienced through a radio speaker while drinking."

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Old 10-27-2017, 07:28 AM
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Harrassment hinges on wanted vs unwanted.

The entertainment industry is a far different environment that a white shirt and tie workplace. I'm certain if Rush Limbaugh leered at those substantial superstructures and quipped "I need some Cheez Whiz for these crackers," he would get slugged.

Person, location, and personality can either make or break quips. I would love to go out and party with Ellen - she is both funny and fun - while Rush is best experienced through a radio speaker while drinking.
Remember that Ms. Degeneres posted the picture on Twitter for everyone to see. So this went beyond "locker room talk", and made her conduct during a private moment very public. This was a very public display of Ellen leering at and commenting on another woman's body parts.

I wonder if Ms. Perry "wanted" a picture of another woman leering at, and commenting on the size of, her "substantial superstructures" posted without her consent in a public forum like Twitter. If she has any self-respect, I doubt it.
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Old 10-27-2017, 07:35 AM
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Possibly what's also instructive here is that some folks think this is a non - issue, some folks suggest it might be an issue, and at least one of us thinks that, at the very least, Ellen as created a PR mess, and at most an actionable claim for Ms Perry.

Now, switch out Ellen for Harvey Weinstein, so its a picture of Weinstein leering at and commenting on Ms Perry's body parts. Switch out the picture so that its another actor, say Mel Gibson, leering at and commenting on Ms Perry's body. How does that change your perspective, if at all?
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Old 10-27-2017, 07:36 AM
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People regularly whine and complain about facts.
Ah, so you're projecting. Got it.
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Ah, so you're projecting. Got it.
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