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04-10-2011, 08:30 AM
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Some of my coworkers have me wondering if we should abort fetuses well into their fifties......................
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04-10-2011, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by finnbow
I tire of middle age white men debating the morality of what a woman can do with her body. I think that if men could get pregnant, they may have a different view of this issue.
Also, WTF is the party of small government doing arguing that such decisions should be made in Washington?
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Of course, if the entire issue could be reduced to a discussion of "what a woman can do with her body", you'd have a point.
The Debate is also about case law that is devoid of logic, and that the donkeys regard as gospel.
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04-10-2011, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JJIII
I can't argue with you on those points. How do we address making the necessary changes?
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John I really don't know for I have given up on our legislators. I could say to them Simply adopt Canada's adoption laws. I could also go to Alaska and wrestle with a grizzly. The outcome would be much the same. It seems that we here believe that no other country in the world knows anything. That we are the source of all knowledge and therefore can do no wrong. I'm old and I'm tired and sometimes wonder why I keep on trying.
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04-10-2011, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by whell
Of course, if the entire issue could be reduced to a discussion of "what a woman can do with her body", you'd have a point.
The Debate is also about case law that is devoid of logic, and that the donkeys regard as gospel.
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Most of our laws are devoid of logic. If we overturn Roe v Wade they will still take place, in back alleys under less than optimal conditions, just as it was before.
I admire the decision that you and your wife made but you made it, no one else made it for you. Given the care I am certain you provide it is well that she has siblings who will be there for her.
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04-10-2011, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by merrylander
John I really don't know for I have given up on our legislators. I could say to them Simply adopt Canada's adoption laws. I could also go to Alaska and wrestle with a grizzly. The outcome would be much the same. It seems that we here believe that no other country in the world knows anything. That we are the source of all knowledge and therefore can do no wrong. I'm old and I'm tired and sometimes wonder why I keep on trying.
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As long as there is one small voice crying out in the dark there is no consenting silence.
(Jeez... where did that come from? Am I channeling somebody?)
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04-10-2011, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by merrylander
Most of our laws are devoid of logic. If we overturn Roe v Wade they will still take place, in back alleys under less than optimal conditions, just as it was before.
I admire the decision that you and your wife made but you made it, no one else made it for you. Given the care I am certain you provide it is well that she has siblings who will be there for her.
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+1. On all points.
Dave
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04-10-2011, 11:30 AM
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As far as what happens to the mother and child after an unwanted birth... it seems to me that in today's society there is room to take care of them both, either together or separately. If we can take care of people with mental problems, people with criminal problems, people with drug abuse problems we ought to be able to find a way to help these people also. I am in no way equating mothers and babies with any of the above except in the fact that they have a need and we should be able to meet it.
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Gentlemen...what role should the FATHER of the child play in this matter?
A father should own up to his responsibility and care and nurture his child. Together with the mother or apart. A child should not be a government pocket book issue. Taking responsibility for ones actions is falling by the wayside in society today.
Perhaps if we could accomplish the paternal responsibility role...the question of abortion would be less prevalent...indeed remote. Just saying...
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04-10-2011, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueStreak
Some of my coworkers have me wondering if we should abort fetuses well into their fifties......................
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lol,
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04-10-2011, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by painter
As far as what happens to the mother and child after an unwanted birth... it seems to me that in today's society there is room to take care of them both, either together or separately. If we can take care of people with mental problems, people with criminal problems, people with drug abuse problems we ought to be able to find a way to help these people also. I am in no way equating mothers and babies with any of the above except in the fact that they have a need and we should be able to meet it.
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John
Gentlemen...what role should the FATHER of the child play in this matter?
A father should own up to his responsibility and care and nurture his child. Together with the mother or apart. A child should not be a government pocket book issue. Taking responsibility for ones actions is falling by the wayside in society today.
Perhaps if we could accomplish the paternal responsibility role...the question of abortion would be less prevalent...indeed remote. Just saying...
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In addition to my above quote... (from a woman's point of view) In all of my 54 years of marriage...not once did we go to our bed with the idea of making a baby. But...we were blessed with three.
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04-10-2011, 12:17 PM
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AKA Sister Mary JJ
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Originally Posted by painter
As far as what happens to the mother and child after an unwanted birth... it seems to me that in today's society there is room to take care of them both, either together or separately. If we can take care of people with mental problems, people with criminal problems, people with drug abuse problems we ought to be able to find a way to help these people also. I am in no way equating mothers and babies with any of the above except in the fact that they have a need and we should be able to meet it.
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John
Gentlemen...what role should the FATHER of the child play in this matter?
A father should own up to his responsibility and care and nurture his child. Together with the mother or apart. A child should not be a government pocket book issue. Taking responsibility for ones actions is falling by the wayside in society today.
Perhaps if we could accomplish the paternal responsibility role...the question of abortion would be less prevalent...indeed remote. Just saying...
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Painter hits from outside the three point line!
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