Volkswagen - What's got into you???

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Why the hell would they risk it??
I'd assume someone in upper management somehow made a killing off it before retiring. Then it was someone else's problem.

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Well since they have a poor reliability record VW probably wanted to spare their customers trips to the dealer to deal with emission problems since they have to go there all the time for engine repairs. I thought about a TDI when I saw some on sale here on base but I went with a Honda instead.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by icenine

Well since they have a poor reliability record VW probably wanted to spare their customers trips to the dealer to deal with emission problems since they have to go there all the time for engine repairs. I thought about a TDI when I saw some on sale here on base but I went with a Honda instead.

I believe that the original reliability issues began with cars assembled in Mexico. I too thought about a TDI wagon but was discouraged (though great mileage) and instead bought an AWD Honda Element for my wife.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

I believe that the original reliability issues began with cars assembled in Mexico. I too thought about a TDI wagon but was discouraged (though great mileage) and instead bought an AWD Honda Element for my wife.

I keep hearing about how expensive German designed cars are to maintain.
True or not I do not want to take chances. I think I paid about $3000 for various repairs to my CRV between 2006-2015, and some of those were at the dealer and some where more expensive because I needed it done THAT day.

I would be afraid to think what one trip to a BMW dealer would be.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by icenine

I keep hearing about how expensive German designed cars are to maintain.
True or not I do not want to take chances. I think I paid about $3000 for various repairs to my CRV between 2006-2015, and some of those were at the dealer and some where more expensive because I needed it done THAT day.

I would be afraid to think what one trip to a BMW dealer would be.

I brought an Audi back from Germany when I moved back in 1986. Not only was it expensive to maintain, but electrical problems were frequent.

Moreover, Porsche/Audi/Mercedes/BMW dealers here try to impress upon you how special you are for owning a German car and expect you to reach deeply into your pockets with a privileged smile on your face.

I'd never own anything but a German car in Germany, but I'd never again own one here. In my experience, German cars are nowhere near as reliable as their Japanese counterparts.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Moreover, Porsche/Audi/Mercedes/BMW dealers here try to impress upon you how special you are for owning a German car and expect you to reach deeply into your pockets with a privileged smile on your face.

Having worked in a Porsche-Audi dealership and managed a BMW dealership, I can more or less confirm the above. But it's a bit overstated.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Having worked in a Porsche-Audi dealership and managed a BMW dealership, I can more or less confirm the above. But it's a bit overstated.

Beyond these issues, most German cars are outfitted with all imaginable bells and whistles for the US market to help drive the notion that high cost equals luxury. In Germany, you can buy BMW's with cloth seats, no AC, etc., if you are so inclined. Not so here.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Beyond these issues, most German cars are outfitted with all imaginable bells and whistles for the US market to help drive the notion that high cost equals luxury. In Germany, you can buy BMW's with cloth seats, no AC, etc., if you are so inclined. Not so here.

Can you get an M in Germany w/o all the doodads?

[icenine]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Beyond these issues, most German cars are outfitted with all imaginable bells and whistles for the US market to help drive the notion that high cost equals luxury. In Germany, you can buy BMW's with cloth seats, no AC, etc., if you are so inclined. Not so here.

In Germany is the price for a no-frills BMW comparable to say buying a Honda Accord or some other mid-price car here?

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Having worked in a Porsche-Audi dealership and managed a BMW dealership, I can more or less confirm the above. But it's a bit overstated.

Let me ask, is a mustache required for all the guys that work in finance?

lol

Just something I remembered from buying my first new car.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I brought an Audi back from Germany when I moved back in 1986. Not only was it expensive to maintain, but electrical problems were frequent.

Moreover, Porsche/Audi/Mercedes/BMW dealers here try to impress upon you how special you are for owning a German car and expect you to reach deeply into your pockets with a privileged smile on your face.

I'd never own anything but a German car in Germany, but I'd never again own one here. In my experience, German cars are nowhere near as reliable as their Japanese counterparts.

Yeah I think Toyota, Mazda and Honda are hard to beat for the money.
Once I pay off the house I am thinking about an F-150 though a big red one lol.