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[westgate]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I think the coup de grace was when she called Curt Schilling a Yankees fan. A woman of the people, indeed.

and, iirc, she didn't want to 'press the flesh' at fenway cuz it 'was too cold'.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by westgate

and, iirc, she didn't want to 'press the flesh' at fenway cuz it 'was too cold'.

Yep. "Just coronate me and I'll be on my way," seemed to be her early campaign message.

[BlueStreak]

With each swing, the pendulum travels further. Obama is further to the left than Clinton.
I believe the next set of Republican hopefulls will be even further to the right than Bush, Daddy Bush and even Reagan. Eventually I see one of the two major parties splintering, and effectively, new party will be formed. I would like to see a new party formed by "Blue Dog" Democrats and Moderate Republicans, that would be ideal for the country, IMO.

However, I fear this will not be the case.

I predict that the far-right becomes impatient with the "Old Guard" and more moderate Republicans and splinters off into a third party of extremists. Hopefully, this will wake the American people up to what these folks really are all about. Before the atrocities begin...........


Oh, and as a sidenote; The article "westgate" posted stated that a prominent Neo-Nazi spoke at the same rally as J.D Hayworth and had accolades for the Republican candidate..............But that doesn't make any sense, because Glenn Beck said..............


Dave

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I would like to see a new party formed by "Blue Dog" Democrats and Moderate Republicans, that would be ideal for the country, IMO.

I doubt that's what we'd get, at least at first. These movements tend to come from the ends rather than the middle. But if the far right left the Republican party, some of those "blue dog" types might become Republicans. I'm assuming the far right folks would take the anti-gay, anti-abortion group with them. That would open the door of the Republican party for a lot of folks. It would be a bit hit in the short run, but might work out well in the long.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

I doubt that's what we'd get, at least at first. These movements tend to come from the ends rather than the middle. But if the far right left the Republican party, some of those "blue dog" types might become Republicans. I'm assuming the far right folks would take the anti-gay, anti-abortion group with them. That would open the door of the Republican party for a lot of folks. It would be a bit hit in the short run, but might work out well in the long.

If the tea-baggin', anti-gay, anti-abortion crowd left the GOP, it would shrink a lot in the short run, but it would become a party I might be willing to give a second look at. As it currently stands with the knuckle-draggers in control, I can't look at the party with anything other than bemusement (or fear).

[merrylander]

Whichever way things go there will be crow in November, whether they will be doing it or eating it remains to be seen as the monkey said when he pooped behind the piano.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by finnbow

If the tea-baggin', anti-gay, anti-abortion crowd left the GOP, it would shrink a lot in the short run, but it would become a party I might be willing to give a second look at. As it currently stands with the knuckle-draggers in control, I can't look at the party with anything other than bemusement (or fear).

Exactly. The unreasoning far right is what drove me away from that party to begin with. If the GOP had the will to purge themselves of the religious zealots, and the "Angry Bigot" element, they could possibly draw me back in. Problem is that pandering to that segment of their base is a big part of what helped propel them to power in the eighties and nineties. And what has changed?

What I need from Republicans is a party that appeals to intellect, not just rediculous quazi-religious dogma and xenophobic intransigence. A party that is dedicated to helping find a way to serious, responsible healthcare reform and not just full of shrill, stubborn obstructionism.

Appeal to my mind, not my fear.

Until then, I continue to vote Democratic, for a lack of any other choice.

Dave

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

If the tea-baggin', anti-gay, anti-abortion crowd left the GOP, it would shrink a lot in the short run, but it would become a party I might be willing to give a second look at. As it currently stands with the knuckle-draggers in control, I can't look at the party with anything other than bemusement (or fear).

Right now the Republicans pay considerable lip service to the right wing fringe but that's largely a matter of political expediency. They've taken a lesson from what happens when one of their own dare question the wisdom of Limbaugh or suggest that the Tea Parties are perhaps a little intemperate. My concern is that siphoning off the more moderate elements of the party into a new center right party (perhaps in company with the Blue Dogs) would result in a rightward shift in the political discourse in this country which didn't accurately reflect the country as a whole.

As it is now there is a sizable portion of the citizenry which is to the right of the Republicans. There is also a large segment to the left of the Democrats. If the Tea Party movement succeeds in dominating the Republicans and a Center-Right party comprised of moderate Republicans and conservative Democrats emerges it would be necessary for the true Left in this country to become a force within the Democratic Party. Only that would bring things into balance and accurately reflect the range of ideology in the country.

I don't see that happening. The Left here is too disorganized. We haven't had a catalyzing event, like a darkie in the White House, to bring us together.

John

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

If the GOP had the will to purge themselves of the religious zealots, and the "Angry Bigot" element, they could possibly draw me back in.

Nah, Dave, you're too far gone now. You're part of the Liberal Borg. No hope for you now.

John

[noonereal]

If the banks/wall street guys stay in the new republican party after the split I won't be joining.