Hybrids are showing expensive fixes.......

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

You got me. What car in the seventies got 26 mpg?

You kidding? My dad's old 2.0 '72 Capri got 30. I'm sure all manner of Pintos, Fiestas, Chevettes, Monzas, Hondas, Toyotas, etc., etc., etc., etc. got 26 + MPG.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Charles

The way I see it, you're right.

IMHO, a motor vehicle is nothing more than a tool. It hauls you and what you need from Point A to Point B. My ideas of customizing one are ladder racks, trailer hitches, electronic brake controls, tool boxes, etc. No fuzzy dice, "bumper snickers", superchargers, trick wheels, or other useless crapola which doesn't serve a specific purpose.

Well, I did put a "I brake for tailgaters" bumper snicker on my old Dodge after the Pepsi truck rear ended it...my inner child got the best of me.

The less crap you have on one, the less crap you have to maintain/repair. You couldn't give me a hybrid.

Chas

I'm with ya on most of that, but I gots to have my tunes. If the car doesn't have a decent stereo and play CDRs I ain't interested. I like NPR, but it can't beat Voodoo Chile cranked up.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

I like NPR, but it can't beat Voodoo Chile cranked up.

Jimi or Stevie Ray?

John

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Jimi or Stevie Ray?

John

Yes!

First time I saw SRV, he was on Austin City Limits, which I viewed largely as a country/folk show. I was sitting there wondering who was this guy channeling Jimi. Years later, my son bought me a DVD set of SRV's two performances at Montreux. He was booed off of the stage in the first one. He was pouring his guts out through his guitar, but the crowd was there for some folk act. It was shocking. The next time he was there, he told the audience he was glad to be back, because his first trip there was his first time to be booed off of the stage and his first Grammy nomination.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Grumpy]

My pops has a B210 wagon. Bet that thing had 300K on it when he sold it.

[merrylander]

Big deal, our Impalas get 29 MPG highway and have a 5 star crash rating but unlike the Volvo 8nn it does not cost $3600 for repairing a 5 MPH front end crash as the insurance testers found out.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Writewing

Lexus 400H

Ahhh. Poor Lexus 400H owner. Can't afford anything.

Hybrid SUVs have little to do with saving gas, money or the planet. All that technology and they can't get the mileage of a Honda CRX HF from the 80s. People who are buying a Lexus 400H are buying a fashion statement. Somewhere to put their PITA bumber sticker.

I actually have been keeping an eye on old Preiusss. I'm surprised how affordable it is to put a new batter in one in the aftermarket. I'm hoping in a few years there will be a buch of cheap ones needing batteries and I'll scoop one up, fix it and have a nice cheap ride.

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Ahhh. Poor Lexus 400H owner. Can't afford anything.

Hybrid SUVs have little to do with saving gas, money or the planet. All that technology and they can't get the mileage of a Honda CRX HF from the 80s. People who are buying a Lexus 400H are buying a fashion statement. Somewhere to put their PITA bumber sticker.

I actually have been keeping an eye on old Preiusss. I'm surprised how affordable it is to put a new batter in one in the aftermarket. I'm hoping in a few years there will be a buch of cheap ones needing batteries and I'll scoop one up, fix it and have a nice cheap ride.

I have been curious about the replacement cost of the batteries. Last I heard they were huge money.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

I have been curious about the replacement cost of the batteries. Last I heard they were huge money.

Man, from the dealer they are insane. But after market guys are popping up now and they are *much* cheaper. There is a guy selling the second gen battery technology for the first gen Prius for about $1200. If you get the car for cheap you could make a pretty nice ride.

[Writewing]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Ahhh. Poor Lexus 400H owner. Can't afford anything.

Hybrid SUVs have little to do with saving gas, money or the planet. All that technology and they can't get the mileage of a Honda CRX HF from the 80s. People who are buying a Lexus 400H are buying a fashion statement. Somewhere to put their PITA bumber sticker.

I actually have been keeping an eye on old Preiusss. I'm surprised how affordable it is to put a new batter in one in the aftermarket. I'm hoping in a few years there will be a buch of cheap ones needing batteries and I'll scoop one up, fix it and have a nice cheap ride.

I guess folks cant want for nice things and also try to save some fuel in the bargain even if it isnt really worth it. Also I find it comical you compare a 2 wheel drive sub compact that has a 4 cyl engine with a mid sized all wheel drive SUV with a 6cyl engine.,,,there are likely some monkey's that could figure out they are not in the same ballpark to compare.