Koch Brothers Going After Solar Energy Customers

[BlueStreak]

I find it interesting that conservatives are for people being forced to stay on the grid. I thought "independence" was your thing? Or, is that just independence from the government? Independence from private industry..............

Well that just can't be had, Mister. No Sir-ee! You must be dependent on the power company for electricity and dependent on an employer for your healthcare needs and dependent on food producers and..................

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

And anyone that believes greed to be self-limiting is living in fantasyland.

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NAW! Say it isn't so! Do you mean to tell me that "enlightened self interest" is proving itself to be a farce? Wow........

[Pio1980]

Not a lot of examples of the Zeiss plan to be found in the US in big business.

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[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

Hate to break this to you, but an op ed piece is not news, and it is not fact. It is opinion. And when reproduced from a paper like the LA Times, its sometimes nothing more than BS.

Ahhh, yes typical avoidance and attacking the messenger instead of discussing the fact that your masters of the universe and ALEC are trying to dismantle the solar industry.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

Hate to break this to you, but an op ed piece is not news, and it is not fact. It is opinion. And when reproduced from a paper like the LA Times, its sometimes nothing more than BS.

Ah, if the facts don't fit the ideology, throw out the facts!

Sources on Arizona solar fees:

Arizona Public Service Co. is proposing charging customers who install rooftop solar panels $50 to $100 or more a month to cover the cost of maintaining the power grid.

http://www.azcentral.com/business/co...customers.html

Solar supporters opposed any charge, while the utility wanted fees as high as $100 a month for households with rooftop solar installations—or a major change in the way it treats customers with solar capabilities.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...98572348496740

Arizona Public had requested a fee of $50 a month or more, and the commission’s decision “falls well short of protecting the interests of the 1 million residential customers who do not have solar panels,” Chief Executive Officer Don Brandt said in a statement.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...lar-roofs.html

All bullshit? Even the Wall Street journal one?

The last one raises a big question for me. The problem is supposed to be that rates for everyone are higher because solar households don't pay so much. So where's the part where this unfairness is corrected, by lowering everyone's rates to the extent they are offset by the new fees? I haven't heard one mumblin' word about lowering anyone's rates.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Ah, if the facts don't fit the ideology, throw out the facts!

Sources on Arizona solar fees:

http://www.azcentral.com/business/co...customers.html

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...98572348496740

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...lar-roofs.html

All bullshit? Even the Wall Street journal one?

The last one raises a big question for me. The problem is supposed to be that rates for everyone are higher because solar households don't pay so much. So where's the part where this unfairness is corrected, by lowering everyone's rates to the extent they are offset by the new fees? I haven't heard one mumblin' word about lowering anyone's rates.

I guess Whell-o missed this one too? In post #1 of this thread, http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...#axzz2zOwBKRrl

Oh the horror! It's the LA Times!

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by whell

Why don't you:

http://www.ushistory.org/us/29.asp

Manifest Destiny huh?

AKA "White Man's Burden".

You feeling burdened whell?

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Manifest Destiny huh?

AKA "White Man's Burden".

You feeling burdened whell?

"Manifest Destiny", if I can take it by any means available to me, then God meant for me to have it. What a perfect model for ethical behavior.

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[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

I guess Whell-o missed this one too? In post #1 of this thread, http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...#axzz2zOwBKRrl

Oh the horror! It's the LA Times!

It is, yes. And they attempt to pass themselves off as an objective source of news, while using hot button words like "attack" in their news headlines.

And you guys complain about Fox News....

[whell]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

"Manifest Destiny", if I can take it by any means available to me, then God meant for me to have it. What a perfect model for ethical behavior.

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That's right Pio. See, you can't point out the "value" of government spending spear-heading the westward expansion of the railway system and leave out the key element of why government policy saw fit to fund the expansion.