"Mein Kampf" - back in Germany!

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

But yes, in a sense I think the Nazi's 'stole,' Germany.

Most definitely.

Your arguments are cogent.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Most definitely.

Your arguments are cogent.

Thanks. It is actually nice to know there's at least one out there.

(I should remember to express agreement more often myself....)

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

"The Nazis stole Germany".
Most definitely.
Your arguments are cogent.

Very much so.
This was long in the planning, the Nazis hit the ground running in 1933 well prepared for a total takeover.
Look up "The Hitler Myth", at historytoday.com

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[icenine]

No, Germans "stole" Germany.

More revisionism? They were not Germans?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Thanks. It is actually nice to know there's at least one out there.

(I should remember to express agreement more often myself....)

If we accept Webster's definition of a coup d'etat, "a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics; especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group", I think a better word might be found somewhere. Maidan was a coup. Bush v. Gore wasn't. Hitler's siezure of control resembles the latter in that he used (subverted) the mechanisms of government as they existed to consolidate his power.

Otherwise, I pretty much agree with your take.

John

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by icenine

No, Germans "stole" Germany.

More revisionism? They were not Germans?

They weren't even human! But then, 'they' never are.

(Actually, I think they were all too human. Yes, I'm a Hanna Arendt fan....)

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Boreas

If we accept Webster's definition of a coup d'etat, "a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics; especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group", I think a better word might be found somewhere. Maidan was a coup. Bush v. Gore wasn't. Hitler's siezure of control resembles the latter in that he used (sibverted) the mechanisms of government as they existed to consolidate his power.

Otherwise, I pretty much agree with your take.

John

I admit to using the word 'coup' for effect, to emphasize the illegitimacy of the Nazis in my view. Problem is I don't know a word for 'long process to gain power by undermining, discrediting, and subverting democratic institutions, in large part by using political violence to intimidate or eliminate opposition and create useful crisis.'

[icenine]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

They weren't even human! But then, 'they' never are.

(Actually, I think they were all too human. Yes, I'm a Hanna Arendt fan....)

Oh they were quite human unfortunately.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I admit to using the word 'coup' for effect, to emphasize the illegitimacy of the Nazis in my view. Problem is I don't know a word for 'long process to gain power by undermining, discrediting, and subverting democratic institutions, in large part by using political violence to intimidate or eliminate opposition and create useful crisis.'

But millions went along with it.

[Pio1980]

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Originally Posted by icenine

No, Germans "stole" Germany.

More revisionism? They were not Germans?

The Nazis were German, not "the Germans" in spite of how they may have regarded themselves the living embodiment of the German soul.

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