GOP's AHCA aka Trump-RyanCare

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Originally Posted by icenine

It is an employer plan right?

We fund the HSA on our own.

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Originally Posted by finnbow

The GOP is in a lose-lose situation. Pass a bill that covers fewer people, costs more and gives huge tax breaks to the rich and their rube base will freak out. Don't pass anything and their rube base will also freak out. Just as it should be.

The lose - lose situation would be to do nothing, and let the mess that is the ACA continue to wreak havoc with the individual insurance market.

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Probably............ And he got to keep it.

If the ACA hadn't happened along, lotsa folks who have "got to keep" the plans of their choice. Instead, your hero Dems passed a plan that caused a lot of folks to lose what they had.

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Originally Posted by whell

The lose - lose situation would be to do nothing, and let the mess that is the ACA continue to wreak havoc with the individual insurance market.

The GOP would own that too.

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Originally Posted by whell

If the ACA hadn't happened along, lotsa folks who have "got to keep" the plans of their choice. Instead, your hero Dems passed a plan that caused a lot of folks to lose what they had.

Zero blame applied to the Insurance companies and Medical field along with big Pharma???
These three are the root of the problems with healthcare, runaway cost increases and benefit cuts with very little oversight.
The ACA is and was an attempt at starting to fix the field. But when one side refused to even be at the table. Fought at every turn any meaningful and beneficial improvements. Using the easier to tear down then build strategy to great effect.
We are seeing now the total lack of vision and unsympathetic uncaring callousness from the current GOP party.


Barney

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Originally Posted by whell

If the ACA hadn't happened along, lotsa folks who have "got to keep" the plans of their choice. Instead, your hero Dems passed a plan that caused a lot of folks to lose what they had.

That is the price you have to pay for the ACA. So wealthier Americans like you had to change your insurance plans. Seems like you are doing ok anyway.
By the way your real security is provided by your employee insurance coverage not your HSA. I hope you never have to use your high deductible but if you really need it you are going to pay it, even if you have to use a credit card.

And once again the real problems in ACA are exacerbated by a right-wing GOP more interested in using the ACA like a bloody shirt to rally votes than to help real Americans with health care by fixing and improving it.

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Originally Posted by finnbow

The GOP would own that too.

No they wouldn't. Doing nothing means Obamacare continues and we all know who owns Obamacare. Not the Republicans. The Democrats rushed passage of the ACA and have been unable to improve a flawed program. The Dems are responsible for the results of the ACA just like they are responsible for their poor showing in Congressional races.

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Originally Posted by nailer

No they wouldn't. Doing nothing means Obamacare continues and we all know who owns Obamacare. Not the Republicans. The Democrats rushed passage of the ACA and have been unable to improve a flawed program. The Dems are responsible for the results of the ACA just like they are responsible for their poor showing in Congressional races.

Trump and the GOP ran on a platform of repeal and replace with a program that is better and cheaper. If they walk away from this pledge, they'll be held responsible.

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Originally Posted by icenine

That is the price you have to pay for the ACA. So wealthier Americans like you had to change your insurance plans. Seems like you are doing ok anyway.
By the way your real security is provided by your employee insurance coverage not your HSA. I hope you never have to use your high deductible but if you really need it you are going to pay it, even if you have to use a credit card.

And once again the real problems in ACA are exacerbated by a right-wing GOP more interested in using the ACA like a bloody shirt to rally votes than to help real Americans with health care by fixing and improving it.

What price did you have to pay?

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Originally Posted by finnbow

The GOP would own that too.

I know you'd wish that. I also realize that you'd want to celebrate the loss of access to coverage (i.e., many markets now with only a single carrier available via the exchange) and incumbent higher prices that individuals are paying for their coverage under the ACA, and the pain that causes folks, because it syncs with your politics. Sad that you and your Dem pals need folks to get hurt because you think that's the best way to win.

The other sad fact - also in response to Bob's wrong-headed post about the "gummbit" getting involved in health care - is that the gov't has been involving themselves incrementally at the state and federal levels in healthcare for 50 years. In that time, cost of coverage and care has sky-rocketed. The ACA was the capstone of 50 years in government intervention in the healthcare market. It also made health care a federal political issue, and made solutions to the current scenario much harder to come by, since any solution won't be the best solution, unless the best solution also happens to be the most politically expedient solution.

The sorry fact remains that the Dems own this because of the failure of the ACA, and it has fallen to the new congress and Prez to try and fix it.