VP of Pfizer arrested after document dump

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Not true. Its clinical trials did not test for transmission and Pfizer never said it did. It was tested to see if it was safe and if it prevented disease (and it is and does) and that's what Pfizer said. This latest meme is yet another tempest in a teapot that just popped up in the last couple of weeks in the wingnut echo chamber.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ne-trial-noth/

Yes, the fact checkers are running around lately with this info. But a year or more ago, claims of the vax reducing transmission were all the rage:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...finds-n1280583

And here a fact checker is debunking a claim that the vax doesn't reduce transmission, beccause "healthcare experts" say that it does:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...on/6403678001/

"This is false information," Akiko Iwasaki, a professor of immunobiology and molecular, cellular and developmental biology at Yale University, said in an email. "Vaccines provide significant protection from 'getting it' – infection – and 'spreading it' – transmission – even against the delta variant."

Back then, this was one of a number of claims about COVID that the so-called experts got wrong. And when people did ask legit questions, people like you were right there to shout them down. Sometimes asking questions get the facts to come out eventually. I know that's troubling for you to hear, but it's true.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Yes, the fact checkers are running around lately with this info. But a year or more ago, claims of the vax reducing transmission were all the rage:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...finds-n1280583

And here a fact checker is debunking a claim that the vax doesn't reduce transmission, beccause "healthcare experts" say that it does:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...on/6403678001/

"This is false information," Akiko Iwasaki, a professor of immunobiology and molecular, cellular and developmental biology at Yale University, said in an email. "Vaccines provide significant protection from 'getting it' – infection – and 'spreading it' – transmission – even against the delta variant."

Back then, this was one of a number of claims about COVID that the so-called experts got wrong. And when people did ask legit questions, people like you were right there to shout them down. Sometimes asking questions get the facts to come out eventually. I know that's troubling for you to hear, but it's true.

Not one of these statements came from Pfizer or the FDA, the only experts involved in the clinical trials and licensing of these vaccines. Lots of people, even so-called "experts", said a lot of things including COVID could be cured by drinking bleach, sticking a lightbulb up your ass, taking Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine or that the vaccine had a microchip in it.

And yes, this did blow up in the wingnut echo chamber just 2 weeks ago and was dutifully parroted by you.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Not one of these statements came from Pfizer or the FDA, the only experts involved in the clinical trials and licensing of these vaccines. Lots of people, even so-called "experts", said a lot of things including COVID could be cured by drinking bleach, sticking a lightbulb up your ass, taking Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine or that the vaccine had a microchip in it.

And yes, this did blow up in the wingnut echo chamber just 2 weeks ago and was dutifully parroted by you.

Not one of these statements came from Pfizer, right. Nor did Pfizer do anything to correct the narrative when Fauci and company were calling vaxxed folks a "dead end" for the virus. The narrative may not have come from Pfizer, but it did come from the government's COVID point man. Maybe Fauci should have advocated sticking a light bulb up the ass?

“So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it,” Fauci said.

“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere. And that’s when you get a point that you have a markedly diminished rate of infection in the community.”

So, you're blaming the "wingnut fringe" for precisely what, here? Folks who questioned the official narrative were lambasted by the media, and people like you. The media and folks like you were calling them "anti-vaxers" for asking legit questions when the official narrative didn't seem to add up. Now that Pfizer is coming forward, a year and a half later, and saying "golly, we never said that", that's supposed to make up months and months of silence when the Fauci's of the world were getting it wrong? And the folks who are pointing the fact that this has been the official narrative all along are still to be chastised?

Apparently if you're a leftist, you really think you can have it both ways.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Not one of these statements came from Pfizer, right...

The bottom line is that Pfizer and the FDA were the only voices that mattered and they never once claimed that the vaccine stopped transmission. Period. There are conflicting studies saying it did or it didn't, but it really doesn't matter. The fact remains that the vaccine was (and is) the best thing that one can do to avoid getting very sick (or dying) from COVID.

I can't help but think that this latest brouhaha in the wingnut echo chamber is intended to draw an equivalency with all the lunatics on the right who claimed UV light, Chlorox, hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin killed the (microchip-laden) virus after belief in those claims resulted in higher deaths in red areas of the country. Somehow it's got to be the "experts'" fault and not their own.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by bobabode

'First World Problems to Moan About'?

BigElCat's moan is underlined with humor.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

BigElCat's moan is underlined with humor.

Heh ! He said..."first world".

My dust bowl Red State is stepping up.

[Dondilion]

I am not an anti vaxer. Initially, I was hesitant because of the speed of its availability to the public. However, later I became sympathetic to the reasons for the speed.

My final push: My mom, who is more than 100 years old, took the jab.

[donquixote99]

Best wishes to you and your mom!

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Best wishes to you and your mom!

Thank you!

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The bottom line is that Pfizer and the FDA were the only voices that mattered...
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BS. It wasn't Pfizer and the FDA on TV and the news outlets everyday during 2020 and 2021 COVID answering questions from the media. It was largely Birx,Fauci and Adams,followed locally by here in MI by Frau Whitmer and the State Health Dept chair whose name escapes me at the moment. The FDA Chair was on the COVID response team, and had every opportunity to put out communication on this but didn't. Biden's team never corrected it either.

Originally Posted by finnbow

I can't help but think that this latest brouhaha in the wingnut echo chamber is intended to draw an equivalency with all the lunatics on the right who claimed UV light, Chlorox, hydroxychloroquine......

I'm sure lumping all this together is helpful for you rhetorically, but that's about all the mileage you'll get from it.