David Harvey "The End of Capitalism"

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Many engineers, especially electrical/electronics discover early stagnation unless they become qualified in management.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Many engineers, especially electrical/electronics discover early stagnation unless they become qualified in management.

I was management back in Bell, second tier as a matter of fact. When I saw what passes for management here I had no desire to join their ranks.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Not necessarily. OTOH, certain degrees result in numerous lucrative job offers and others don't. I suppose it depends upon what you want out of your investment of $100-200K in a college education.

You overlooked the next sentence, what is wrong with corporations training their own people? In my years with Bell I received a great deal of training both while a telephone craftsman and as a computer programmer. I also did a fair amount of training of others. As a manager I believed it was my job to not only to get the work done but to develop the people on my staff to the extent of their abilities.

You talk of the cost to the individual but what about the cost to the taxpayers who built the schools and universities? Ouch, just did a quick calculation, we have in excess of $100,000 invested in Howard County schools.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by merrylander

You overlooked the next sentence, what is wrong with corporations training their own people?

Absolutely nothing. OJT is essential in all jobs, from engineering to law to medicine and all successful companies do it. That said, I don't really want a doctor to operate on me that didn't go to med school, just like I don't want somebody designing bridges and skyscrapers who doesn't have a PE in structural engineering. YMMV.

Also, a college degree is a ticket-punch necessary to get many jobs. An employer wants to see if you have the academic prowess and discipline before he invests in you.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Called in a plumber lately?

Sorry Rob, I wasn't clearly sarcastic enough

Finn, don't worry, I'm not going hug you lol. My dad's a civil engineer and my mom came from the north of England. Standing on the same carpet means you're engaged

Pete

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Absolutely nothing. OJT is essential in all jobs, from engineering to law to medicine and all successful companies do it. That said, I don't really want a doctor to operate on me that didn't go to med school, just like I don't want somebody designing bridges and skyscrapers who doesn't have a PE in structural engineering. YMMV.

Also, a college degree is a ticket-punch necessary to get many jobs. An employer wants to see if you have the academic prowess and discipline before he invests in you.

That was where the custom of wearing an iron ring started.

As for doctors I am not exactly thrilled with the idea that if I wind up in an Emergency Room (Do we still have them?) being looked after by some intern who has been on his feet for 14 or 15 hours.


I guess Bell was quite happy with the results of the test they gave me . High school dropout or not, must have been the days before HR departments.

[VanishingPoi]

Originally Posted by Boreas

As determined by whom?

John

The producers, labor, workers themselves determine where the surplus goes.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by VanishingPoi

The producers, labor, workers themselves determine where the surplus goes.

'All power to labor' is as wrong as 'all power to capital.'

[VanishingPoi]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

'All power to labor' is as wrong as 'all power to capital.'

You changed the word to power. That changes everything. It has to be democratic in nature.

[VanishingPoi]

Don, I am not talking about 'all' capital surplus in the country. Each community should decide where that surplus ends up perhaps in their own community or someone that needs it. Why does it all have to be about profit? Maybe the rest of that corn, potato, whatever can go to the folks who can no longer work, say your grandmother. Who knows, maybe you could export it to other starving people. The potential is endless. Not everything has to be profit driven.