Anniversary

[Boreas]

Twelve years ago today George W. Bush, Richard B. Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Donald H. Rumsfeld and Paul D. Wolfowitz opened the gates of Hell and took them off the hinges.

[nailer]

And most of the Democrats in Congress willingly jumped on that wagon.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by nailer

And most of the Democrats in Congress willingly jumped on that wagon.

A gross oversimplification but, even to the extent that it's true, the "distribution of guilt" for our invasion of Iraq rests largely with its architects. Many Congressional Democrats were deceived, some willingly, but those who perpetrated the deception deserve the greatest level of condemnation.

Oh, and if you think implicating most Democrats is some sort of a "gotcha", you don't know me very well.

John

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Boreas

A gross oversimplification but, even to the extent that it's true, the "distribution of guilt" for our invasion of Iraq rests largely with its architects. Many Congressional Democrats were deceived, some willingly, but those who perpetrated the deception deserve the greatest level of condemnation.

Oh, and if you think implicating most Democrats is some sort of a "gotcha", you don't know me very well.

John

Do you think the average Joe American even realizes all the hell there now is a direct result of this fiasco?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by noonereal

Do you think the average Joe American even realizes all the hell there now is a direct result of this fiasco?

More all the time but no, not the majority.

Someone always knew.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by nailer

And most of the Democrats in Congress willingly jumped on that wagon.

111 Democrats in congress voted for the resolution, 147 voted against it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

111 out of 258 is not "most".

Now admit that you are a lying bagger shill like I have been saying about you all along.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

111 Democrats in congress voted for the resolution, 147 voted against it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

111 out of 258 is not "most".

A majority of Senate Democrats did vote for it. That's the thing the wingnuts always drag out when the lies surrounding the Iraq resolution come up.

John

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Boreas

A majority of Senate Democrats did vote for it. That's the thing the wingnuts always drag out when the lies surrounding the Iraq resolution come up.

John

I know.

They've been trying to sell that "shared blame" crapola ever since their little adventure in Iraq turned into a clusterfuck.

Fuck them.

They own it.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

111 Democrats in congress voted for the resolution, 147 voted against it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

111 out of 258 is not "most".

Now admit that you are a lying bagger shill like I have been saying about you all along.

I stand corrected, but as Boreas pointed out most of the Senate Democrats were for it. As a nation we were stampeded into overthrowing Sadam after 9/11, and I believe/think the feckless Democratic leadership shares in the responsibility for the Bush Administration's misguided OIF. Effective opposition party leadership could have stripped away the façade put up to sell Iraqi regime change.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by nailer

I stand corrected, but as Boreas pointed out most of the Senate Democrats were for it. As a nation we were stampeded into overthrowing Sadam after 9/11 and I believe/think the feckless Democratic leadership shares in the responsibility for the Bush Administration's misguided OIF. Effective opposition party leadership could have stripped away the façade put up to sell Iraqi regime change.

Many Dem's are scared shitless of being labelled soft on national security.