Do you see the U.S. being headed for a second civil war?

[BigElCat]

Civil war is not going to happen.

The population would not split into two opposing camps, or even half a dozen organized factions battling each other.

The military forces would prevail in short order. Someone would establish themselves as a dictator.

[Rajoo]

We don't need a civil war, a tax revolt should do it. Remember "no taxation without representation"?

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

We don't need a civil war, a tax revolt should do it. Remember "no taxation without representation"?

There'll be no revolution, either.

They'd shut the internet down; no money transactions, no gas pumps working, no electricity.

We'd be in the dark ages, fighting and killing each other to survive.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

Civil war is not going to happen.

The population would not split into two opposing camps, or even half a dozen organized factions battling each other.

The military forces would prevail in short order. Someone would establish themselves as a dictator.

It wouldn't need to be two opposing groups or an all out fight per se. Just enough disturbances to give an impression. Don't forget, the majority of Republicans view the current administration as illegitimate and a larger portion of them believe violence will be needed to regain control again.
What's in question is the military response if called on. From the link NipperDog provided.

The next time could be far more cataclysmic if members of the military throw in with those who want to overthrow the government, the generals warned.

“Without constant maintenance, the potential for a military breakdown mirroring societal or political breakdown is very real,” the trio (of generals) noted.

The idea of a civil war seems far fetched but a year ago so did the idea of an armed insurrection. If the Repubs retake Congress look for them to make moves to get Diaper Don into the WH again. Don't forget they don't give a rat's ass what the will of the people is.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

It wouldn't need to be two opposing groups or an all out fight per se. Just enough disturbances to give an impression. Don't forget, the majority of Republicans view the current administration as illegitimate and a larger portion of them believe violence will be needed to regain control again.
What's in question is the military response if called on. From the link NipperDog provided.

The idea of a civil war seems far fetched but a year ago so did the idea of an armed insurrection. If the Repubs retake Congress look for them to make moves to get Diaper Don into the WH again. Don't forget they don't give a rat's ass what the will of the people is.

A complete military breakdown, coupled with a total breakdown in our social order is (God forbid) a possibility.

Emerging into viable, rival factions is not possible.

You think the USAF would divide up, under multiple leaders ? And ground force generals would choose sides ? Then the Navy with the nuclear missiles would pick which side they were on, individually ?

The USA is going to stay intact somehow.

[Oerets]

Guess I'd be safe in saying there is agreement here on some unrest and troubled times are ahead.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

A complete military breakdown, coupled with a total breakdown in our social order is (God forbid) a possibility.

Emerging into viable, rival factions is not possible.

You think the USAF would divide up, under multiple leaders ? And ground force generals would choose sides ? Then the Navy with the nuclear missiles would pick which side they were on, individually ?

The USA is going to stay intact somehow.

The military leadership at the top is not the worry. It's factions down the ranks that I'd worry about. Then that's what the leadership would have to deal with. Wasn't there some National Guard leadership in Arizona or somewhere that said they wouldn't enforce the vaccine mandate? How far from that would be orders not to put down some uprising? When someone is convinced that their cause is right and just for the preservation of the good ol' U.S. of A. laws go out the window.
The GOP is aiming for a takeover. They want to run the show, all of it. Some there don't seem too concerned with how they achieve it either.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

The military leadership at the top is not the worry. It's factions down the ranks that I'd worry about. Then that's what the leadership would have to deal with. Wasn't there some National Guard leadership in Arizona or somewhere that said they wouldn't enforce the vaccine mandate? How far from that would be orders not to put down some uprising? When someone is convinced that their cause is right and just for the preservation of the good ol' U.S. of A. laws go out the window.
The GOP is aiming for a takeover. They want to run the show, all of it. Some there don't seem too concerned with how they achieve it either.

A couple of States talk about succeeding from the USA from time to time.

National Guard units have faced off with Federal troops on a couple of occasions, but it was all a show of political posturing. The Pentagon people would take the upper hand if it came down to it.

If Trump gets elected in 2024, the GOP may be the dominate political party for very long time (Fourth Reich style). I don't think Biden is going to be politically strong enough to stop the Trump hysteria in 2024.

We need a Superman Candidate to oppose him. I don't see who that would be.

[BigElCat]

This is a short review of martial law in the USA. It does not cover the last time it was declared, which, IIRC, was in Baltimore in the 1960s during Civil Rights unrest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRyx1aqevTs

(edit--Cambridge, Maryland, 1967 although I'm not sure about this)

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

A couple of States talk about succeeding from the USA from time to time.

National Guard units have faced off with Federal troops on a couple of occasions, but it was all a show of political posturing. The Pentagon people would take the upper hand if it came down to it.

If Trump gets elected in 2024, the GOP may be the dominate political party for very long time (Fourth Reich style). I don't think Biden is going to be politically strong enough to stop the Trump hysteria in 2024.

We need a Superman Candidate to oppose him. I don't see who that would be.

Originally Posted by Oerets

Guess I'd be safe in saying there is agreement here on some unrest and troubled times are ahead.

Yup