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Old 09-08-2022, 08:02 AM
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The real power of the state is its ability to wield violence and that has always been infused with religious fervor.
I do believe the Soviets used military might when they took Communism to China.

Pray tell, what religion were they pushing ?
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Old 09-08-2022, 08:51 AM
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I do believe the Soviets used military might when they took Communism to China.

Pray tell, what religion were they pushing ?
The religious fervour of authoratorian communism. Russian style.
Communism as a religion surrogate.
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Old 09-08-2022, 09:35 AM
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The religious fervour of authoratorian communism. Russian style.
Communism as a religion surrogate.
No, he's saying they co-opt religion, and have to have a Godhead. "Always".
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Old 09-08-2022, 10:38 AM
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The Russians were more forthright.
The Enlightenment was skin deed. It did not prevent the state from grabbing the religious symbols, accoutrements and mimes to employ in the suppress and control of the people.
All those states that were supposed to be exposed to this Enlightment went to Africa under a God head and wreaked havoc.
Being forthrightly fervorous is no virtue.

I of course would never claim that enlightenment values well all-pervasive in the west, erasing all the old time religion and stuff. And particularly in wartime, or when dealing with non-white others, big exceptions were made.
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Old 09-08-2022, 11:12 AM
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No, he's saying they co-opt religion, and have to have a Godhead. "Always".
You miss the thrust of my argument. Enlightment did not prevent......such and such and such
I was responding to the floating of Enlightenment by DQ.

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Old 09-08-2022, 11:26 AM
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Being forthrightly fervorous is no virtue.

I of course would never claim that enlightenment values well all-pervasive in the west, erasing all the old time religion and stuff. And particularly in wartime, or when dealing with non-white others, big exceptions were made.
What is more telling is the length of time after the official age that its projection did not apply to non whites.

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Old 06-01-2023, 03:45 PM
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