Has Evangelical Christianity Become Sociopathic?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

But it's not like the kids are being forced to do it.

It is trivially easy for a coach to make or break a student's 'athletic career.' You want to please the coach. You don't want to displease the coach.

[whell]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

Nice rebuke.

Wasn't intended as a rebuke, just an explanation of how "communal prayer" is not only practiced but encouraged.

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

It is trivially easy for a coach to make or break a student's 'athletic career.' You want to please the coach. You don't want to displease the coach.

Are you suggesting this was a factor in the most recent SCOTUS case?

[Oerets]

By the allowing of public funds to support the sending of students to private and religious schools. At first it seemed to be an attempt at breaking teacher unions, now to bring back religion to the schools on the tax payers dime.

This country been able to survive for this long because of the separation of church and state. To now with the Johnson Amendment being under attack.

[Dondilion]

The separation of church and state is essentially an artificial one. The real power of the state is its ability to wield violence and that has always been infused with religious fervor.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Oerets

By the allowing of public funds to support the sending of students to private and religious schools. At first it seemed to be an attempt at breaking teacher unions, now to bring back religion to the schools on the tax payers dime.

This country been able to survive for this long because of the separation of church and state. To now with the Johnson Amendment being under attack.

For charter schools, the idea was to provide an alternative learning environment that meets or exceeds what's available in the public school system, while allowing the curriculum to be tailored to certain types of students. The idea that all students should have the same curriculum was great 100 years ago when much of the US still had an agricultural economy. Allowing schools to tailor education to focus on STEM, leadership, foreign language immersion, etc., does have certain advantages.

As far as private schools: why not allow parents to choose which school their children will attend. Why lock low-income families' kids into floundering school districts while kids whose families can afford it send their kids to a school that produced superior results?

Parents who send their kids to a private school essentially pay tuition twice: once with their local tax bill, and again when they pay tuition at the school of their choice. That's fine if you can afford it, but many families can't.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by whell

For charter schools, the idea was to provide an alternative learning environment that meets or exceeds what's available in the public school system, while allowing the curriculum to be tailored to certain types of students. The idea that all students should have the same curriculum was great 100 years ago when much of the US still had an agricultural economy. Allowing schools to tailor education to focus on STEM, leadership, foreign language immersion, etc., does have certain advantages.

As far as private schools: why not allow parents to choose which school their children will attend. Why lock low-income families' kids into floundering school districts while kids whose families can afford it send their kids to a school that produced superior results?

Parents who send their kids to a private school essentially pay tuition twice: once with their local tax bill, and again when they pay tuition at the school of their choice. That's fine if you can afford it, but many families can't.

Some good points. Many of the public schools are handicapped with oversized admin.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

The separation of church and state is essentially an artificial one. The real power of the state is its ability to wield violence and that has always been infused with religious fervor.

That is a quintessential Russian attitude. We had a thing we call the Enlightenment that spread the idea that religious fervor is not healthy for children and other living things. Governments with religious fervor are bad, and governments doing violence with religious fervor are are about as ghastly bad as it gets.

[Oerets]

The charter schools is a way around busing, integration, teaching with little transparencies. A profit engine for those running the schools.

Few local controls, oversight over the curriculum. Have not proven to be any better then public schools in test scores.

Less diverse of a student body. No busing for students so limit the applicants to those with transportation. Special need students are not assured admittance.

Charter schools will increase the tribal like separation going on in our society. At the time the opposite is much in need.

Public schools are just that a reflection of the surrounding areas. One of the biggest issues with pubic schools is the funding model. With property taxes the fuel. Affluent areas better schools, less funded schools suffer. Taking a portion of the funds away from publicly accountable schools to a private opaque one is problematic at best.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

That is a quintessential Russian attitude. We had a thing we call the Enlightenment that spread the idea that religious fervor is not healthy for children and other living things. Governments with religious fervor are bad, and governments doing violence with religious fervor are are about as ghastly bad as it gets.

The Russians were more forthright.
The Enlightenment was skin deed. It did not prevent the state from grabbing the religious symbols, accoutrements and mimes to employ in the suppress and control of the people.
All those states that were supposed to be exposed to this Enlightment went to Africa under a God head and wreaked havoc.