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02-17-2018, 07:14 PM
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AKA Sister Mary JJ
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Originally Posted by bobabode
You get nothing my Ferengi friend.
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That may prove to be a problem in some parts.
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02-17-2018, 07:18 PM
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AKA Sister Mary JJ
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Originally Posted by donquixote99
I deplore the breach of civility. But JJ, you need to understand that repeating your magic words is infuriating to frustrated people who view dead children as tragically real, but believe the benefits of your esteemed right to be mostly imaginary.
The amendment is among other things contradictory, including both the 'not be infringed' part and the 'well-regulated' part. I wish the 2nd were not there; it's purpose was to be the militia-enabling amendment, but independent militias have a lousy record, and the framer's affections for them were not well-considered.
Your corporate overlords doubtless chuckle every time they think of how they've convinced the rubes to define 'freedom' as the ownership, at personal expense, of high-cost but dangerous consumer products. It's a triumph of consumer capitalism!
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Thank you for your considerate post. It gives me something to ponder.
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02-17-2018, 08:53 PM
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Thank you for your considerate post. It gives me something to ponder.
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So should we all.............
Then do something to fix it NOW!
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02-17-2018, 09:13 PM
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JJ, I'm grateful for your presence and patient voice of reason.
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02-18-2018, 06:23 AM
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AKA Sister Mary JJ
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Thank you.
Some would not agree with your assessment!
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02-18-2018, 09:38 AM
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The problem with the second amendment today is the first portion that states it's purpose no longer applies as we don't depend on a well ordered militia for the National defense. We have the four Armed Forces, and other Federal agencies doing National defense.
Suppose a point by point analogue,
a 2nd Amendment analogue;
"During an orderly evacuation drill with safety as a concern, the means of a rapid exit by students, shall not be impeded.
Now superceded by;
We no longer have evacuation drills, we will guide what to do in the event of an emergency."
Does this somehow give any and all students the right to leave anytime they please by any means they please for any reason they please, or no reason at all?
No, it doesn't. Without the purpose in the first part, it loses it's goal and is effectively nullified and voided en toto.
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02-18-2018, 09:42 AM
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Essentially, therefore, the "rights" assumed under the second are just that, assumptions. Without a rewrite or repeal to take the actual situation into account, we continue on momentum with our assumptions.
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02-18-2018, 10:09 AM
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02-18-2018, 10:23 AM
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Taking on the fucking NRA and the filthy politicians who do their bidding.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/flori...ry?id=53178265
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02-18-2018, 10:34 AM
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Prominent Republican Donor Issues Ultimatum on Assault Weaponshttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/u...t-weapons.html
This is a start but may not lead anywhere since this is a state by state fiasco we are in.
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