When Obama came to visit...

[Pio1980]

My error, I did not check the link.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

My error, I did not check the link.

You and I are on good terms, Steve.

You can always PM me if the stuff i post gets too weird.

My belief system is pretty crazy. Science Fiction, someone called it

But I'm telling you straight out, the United States Air Force has the ability to stop the internet, stop the gas pumps, and money transactions anywhere in the Continental USA.

People are talking about civil war and rebellion in the USA. Ain't going to happen. Big Brother can and will knock us on our asses.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

You and I are on good terms, Steve.

You can always PM me if the stuff i post gets too weird.

My belief system is pretty crazy. Science Fiction, someone called it

But I'm telling you straight out, the United States Air Force has the ability to stop the internet, stop the gas pumps, and money transactions anywhere in the Continental USA.

People are talking about civil war and rebellion in the USA. Ain't going to happen. Big Brother can and will knock us on our asses.

Just ran the video, looks like the last election put the plutocrats in the wheelhouse with a con man as captain instead of offloading them from the decision making process.
Re, the chances of armed revolt succeeding, fortunately, not much given the inevitable unintended consequences that almost always follow. The fallacious interpretation of the 2nd amendment that justifies armed insurrection is obviously an erroneous recipe for catastrophic failure.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

The fallacious interpretation of the 2nd amendment that justifies armed insurrection is obviously an erroneous recipe for catastrophic failure.

Fallacious interpretation ? Hell, it makes no sense at all. It's not even a sentence in the English language; a 'word salad' of gibberish (IMHO).

Here it is:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

It can be twisted around to mean anything.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

Fallacious interpretation ? Hell, it makes no sense at all. It's not even a sentence in the English language; a 'word salad' of gibberish (IMHO).

Here it is:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

It can be twisted around to mean anything.

If taken grammatically as written, then the purpose of "to keep and bear arms" is to support a well-ordered State militia, full stop. That is the only "right" granted by the second amendment. The rest is left to the States and local regulation.
Btw, I agree that the anachronistic "word salad" lacking relevant context is the source of ambiguity and confusion.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

My belief system is pretty crazy. Science Fiction, someone called it

But I'm telling you straight out, the United States Air Force has the ability to stop the internet, stop the gas pumps, and money transactions anywhere in the Continental USA.

Sounds like Sci Fi to me. Like to see some actual evidence of these capabilities. Also, why are Alaska, Hawaii and our territories not under this Big Brother umbrella?

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by nailer

Sounds like Sci Fi to me. Like to see some actual evidence of these capabilities. Also, why are Alaska, Hawaii and our territories not under this Big Brother umbrella?

Actually, none of those things are really that hard to do if you have sufficient power in the right places. The actual movers and shakers in our government are not the caricatures you see in 50's science fiction movies. They are highly intelligent people who work on threat models all the time.

Underestimate them at your peril.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Actually, none of those things are really that hard to do if you have sufficient power in the right places. The actual movers and shakers in our government are not the caricatures you see in 50's science fiction movies. They are highly intelligent people who work on threat models all the time.

Underestimate them at your peril.

Bah. Most analysts everywhere are faking it. Real analysis is very hard work, and you know what result is wanted ahead of time....

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Bah. Most analysts everywhere are faking it. Real analysis is very hard work, and you know what result is wanted ahead of time....

It's not as hard as you think. It's why debaters prepare for debates by practicing with someone playing the part of their opponent, enabling them to be more prepared for the "surprise" responses.

A car lost control and flipped in front of my house about 30 years ago. The guy got out of his car and a friend of his picked him up in his pickup.

This was at 3;00 Saturday morning.

The cops showed up and we talked a bit. The cop said to me that is was surprisingly common for people to drive home drunk on a friday or saturday night, wreck their car, hoof it home and then report it stolen.

Not one minute after he told me this he got a call that the car had been stolen.

But there was a problem...

The pickup drove by going the other way and I said to the cops (there were three cops there by then) that that was the truck that picked the guy up. One cop went after it and came back about 15 minutes later with a guy in the back seat. He was the guy I saw leave the car. He was also the car's owner.

A simple example. But the military is not the bafoons one would make them out to be. Neither are many of the people heading government agencies. More importantly, neither are their underlings that do the real intelligence work.

Sometimes I think part of the press' job is to cause us to think they are easily fooled when, in reality, they are trying to respond to the results of their intelligence in a politically correct way. THAT's the hard part.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Actually, none of those things are really that hard to do if you have sufficient power in the right places. The actual movers and shakers in our government are not the caricatures you see in 50's science fiction movies. They are highly intelligent people who work on threat models all the time.

Underestimate them at your peril.

You have reading comprehension issues. My post and the post I was replying to aren't about threat models. They are about a claimed capability.

FWIW, before retiring I often found myself working with many of the highly intelligent people you referenced and do not feel in peril regardless of my estimate of them.