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11-29-2011, 10:26 PM
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1st Amendment Violation?
So, would it be "...making a law respecting an establishment of religion..." to require that license plates bear the words, "In God we Trust"? And requiring those who don't want it there to pay extra to cover it up?
http://au.org/blogs/legislative/geor...license-plates
I think if your using financial pressure, or any other government backed fiat, to push religion, at the very least, you are crossing the line every bit as egregiously as Atheists who throw a fit and file suits over nativity scenes.
Worship (Or not.) as you wish, leave others to freely choose their own path. It's really very simple.
Why can't people figure that out?
Maybe they're afraid that if they allow this freedom, that their religion will fade out and cease to exist due to a lack of interest?
I think so.
Dave
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11-30-2011, 06:33 AM
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The only thing I would allow to be written on a license plate beyond the classification, identifying number, state, and date of expiration would be "Tax Receipt".
That's all they are.
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11-30-2011, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles
The only thing I would allow to be written on a license plate beyond the classification, identifying number, state, and date of expiration would be "Tax Receipt".
That's all they are.
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Correct. And so are the registration tags I pay $29 a year for and the safety inspection that costs $16 a year, and of course we can't forget the 4% property tax...............Welcome to Virginia, deep, vibrant red, true patriotic republicans who believe in low taxation. (But, only for billionaires and churches. Taxes are for the little people. )
Speaking of taxes; Maybe if we reminded the religious folk of their organizations tax free status and suggest that if they want to gain political power that their church should pony up? I can hear the preachers howling and screaming cries of "SATAN!!!" now.
Dave
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11-30-2011, 12:29 PM
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Correct. And so are the registration tags I pay $29 a year for and the safety inspection that costs $16 a year, and of course we can't forget the 4% property tax...............Welcome to Virginia, deep, vibrant red, true patriotic republicans who believe in low taxation. (But, only for billionaires and churches. Taxes are for the little people. )
Speaking of taxes; Maybe if we reminded the religious folk of their organizations tax free status and suggest that if they want to gain political power that their church should pony up? I can hear the preachers howling and screaming cries of "SATAN!!!" now.
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$29.00? You'd really hate California's. I just paid mine for my ten year old vehicle. It was $289.00 plus the $65.00 for the mandated smog check.
I'd think that the slogan on the license is "push back" against the anti-religion groups that insist on eliminating all religious symbolism in the public arena. I think the motivation itself undermines the legitimacy of their argument. "In God We Trust" ought not be on any license plate. Given the sordid state of the world, I'm not sure I'd place much trust in God.
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11-30-2011, 12:45 PM
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$29.00? You'd really hate California's. I just paid mine for my ten year old vehicle. It was $289.00 plus the $65.00 for the mandated smog check.
I'd think that the slogan on the license is "push back" against the anti-religion groups that insist on eliminating all religious symbolism in the public arena. I think the motivation itself undermines the legitimacy of their argument. "In God We Trust" ought not be on any license plate. Given the sordid state of the world, I'm not sure I'd place much trust in God.
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My property tax for both vehicles last year came to almost $1,200.
Dave
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11-30-2011, 05:56 PM
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My property tax for both vehicles last year came to almost $1,200.
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They're actually taxing the vehicle as property by a percentage? That would be a damn good reason to have and use the least valuable car you can find. I thought you were referencing real estate in your original tax. Please don't tell this tax scheme to the California Assembly. BTW, what's your sales tax rate?
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11-30-2011, 11:29 AM
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I'm sure Republicans oppose it, since it is a tax.
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11-30-2011, 11:44 AM
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It says In God We Trust on money? On monuments. Heck in this country it's everywhere.
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11-30-2011, 12:30 PM
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It says In God We Trust on money? On monuments. Heck in this country it's everywhere.
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Correct. Therefore, I believe that the phrase "In God We Trust" has become a "cultural icon", just like the Christmas tree. Therefore, there should be no objection to Georgia wishing to imprint a cultural icon on its license plates. If someone objects the the cultural icon on their license plate, why should tax payers be forced to foot the bill to cover up the icon? Let the individual who objects pay to cover it up.
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11-30-2011, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by whell
Correct. Therefore, I believe that the phrase "In God We Trust" has become a "cultural icon", just like the Christmas tree. Therefore, there should be no objection to Georgia wishing to imprint a cultural icon on its license plates. If someone objects the the cultural icon on their license plate, why should tax payers be forced to foot the bill to cover up the icon? Let the individual who objects pay to cover it up.
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It is not a "cultural icon", it is a religious statement. If you want "In God We Trust" on your plates, buy a Sharpie and scrawl it on there. I won't complain, because it didn't cost me anything. Write anything you want on your plates for all I care. "Career Corporate Stooge", might be a good one for Republicans.
If you want to erect a twenty ton granite Ten Commandments tablet on your own property, at your own expense, by all means---make it happen.
It's when you use public facilities and public money to advance your religious views, or the lack thereof as the case may be, that a line, (Oh, excuse me. I believe the historic term is "Wall".) is crossed.
Dave
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