With Presidents Like This Who Needs Enemies?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

I said nothing of the sort, though the plan had elements could help start to bring costs down.

The staggering amount of revisionism you employ in defense of Trump and the GOP is truly a sight to behold (and laugh at).

Here's one of many such exchanges where you claim that the GOP had a viable plan waiting in the wings:

Originally Posted by finnbow

The GOP had every opportunity during debates on Obamacare to help make it better, just as they did 65 other times when they meaninglessly voted to repeal and replace it. FWIW, they still have no replacement and the one that Trump promised he would unveil last Tuesday doesn't even exist per Senator Hatch.

Originally Posted by whell

Dealt with already. You continue to get it wrong, including the part about not having a replacement.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

... you insisted that the GOP had a plan that would provide better care, cost less and cover more people (after I insisted that they had no such plan). Now, who looks like the gullible Trumpster?

Oh, and by the way...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot.../#30915d9e3cca

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot.../#690407bd3355

[Pio1980]

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/10/ro...g-obamacare-it

[sheltiedave]

There would be no tax cut for anyone without breaking Obamacare(ACA.)

Now Trump can roll out the tax cut heaven for his cronies and family. He is ready to go berserk with all the tax changes, which is all he wants to do as President.

[Pio1980]

If there was a for-profit free market alternative to the ACA, we'd already have it.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

If there was a for-profit free market alternative to the ACA, we'd already have it.

Health care cannot be delivered within a true free-market paradigm. A free market requires buyers and sellers of a good/service to have equal information as to the cost, quality and efficacy of all available options. This is simply not possible in health care.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Health care cannot be delivered within a true free-market paradigm. A free market requires buyers and sellers of a good/service to have equal information as to the cost, quality and efficacy of all available options. This is simply not possible in health care.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...d1d51816774?82

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Health care cannot be delivered within a true free-market paradigm.

History proves the above statement utterly false. Now, if you want to make the point that the recent evolution in the payment systems for healthcare have removed the free market from healthcare, you might have a point.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

History proves the above statement utterly false. Now, if you want to make the point that the recent evolution in the payment systems for healthcare have removed the free market from healthcare, you might have a point.

Which country, including ours, has had a free-market health care system in the past half century? Not a single one, including ours.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Which country, including ours, has had a free-market health care system in the past half century? Not a single one, including ours.

The US has a free market medical system that Federal and state governments participate in, to provide health care for their employees (and families) and citizens who qualify for subsidized health care. The ACA has been a boon to this free market by requiring citizens who previously chose not to purchase our health care market's expensive insurance to now purchase this insurance. The ACA has taken away the citizen's freedom to not participate in the medical insurance market.